Tnx for the feedback guys
There are many tournaments that http://thecouncil.es/tcdecks/formato.php?format=Legacy didnīt considered. Tournaments like http://www.is-magic.de/ 22.04.2012 - NicFit NO / Punishing Fire Build first place - 90 players - and another G/B/W list Top 20. 05.03.2012 nearly the same.Originally Posted by Tao
http://www.trader-online.de/turniere/siegerdecks.htm is another big german tournament outside TheCouncil, but they donīt post enough decklists on they own side.
And last http://magic.zu-den-vier-winden.de/turniere.shtml but they stop posting decklists at the beginning of this year.
Not forgotten the tournament in Maintal near Frankfurt on April this year but i canīt find the link for decklists or tournament analysis. No NicFit Top 20 but overall 8-10 decks.
One card that I have started liking in the Primeval Titan list is a singleton Life from the Loam (I currently have 2 Treetops, 1 Wasteland, 1 Stronghold as value lands). Loam is pretty nice with Fetchland to make sure you hit your Land drops when you have to. In case they try to screw you out of the game with Wasteland, Stifle or Sinkhole shenanigans it is even insane. Later it is very good with Top. Giving you 2-3 Shuffle effects with Wasteland and the option to dredge away 3x crap makes it pretty easy to find whatever you need.
What is your current list Tao?
I'm currently absent from playing Nic Fit since I'm alternating between Maverick and UW variants, but I guess I'll fall back to Nic Fit sooner or later.
I am still changing it a lot so I don't have anything special. Plus I legitimately have no clue what is better and what is worse with this deck. I think the lists on TCdecks are a good starting point.
Does anyone have some good experience with some sort of board plan against blue control decks? My meta is something like a lot of aggro, a little bit of combo and some blue decks with sweepers and jace. I play GB and I have no problems with the aggro decks and I accept my bad matchup against combo, but I think it should be possible to come up with a plan against blue control.
I understand that Sigarda is a very potent threat against control, but all the aggro decks are backed by manadenial, so I really really don't like splashing white.
Any thoughts or experience with these:
Choke/Tsunami
Garruk(prerry much any one)
Vexing shusher/city of solitude
Pithing needle on jace
Loam/crucible+wasteland
Shroud guys
We must stand united and fight jace!
Since you're running GB, you could run Hymn to help your control and combo MU's.
I understand that Kodama of the North Tree's primary role is killing Jaces. I also like a Gigapede or two to help against Control, but it depends on if you have room in your sideboard for them.
InfoNinjas
Hymn is a solid idea. Choke is also much better than Tsunami, and is not entirely dead against many forms of combo.
Carpet of flowers helps to accelerate you while keeping them off an early jace. I usually side out 3 explorers for 3 carpets.
Best things for me against control have been targeted discard, Garruk, Primal Hunter, Curse of Death's Hold if they're running Lingering Souls, and Haunting Echoes. Echoes is nuts. If you cast it past turn 10 and they don't counter it, you just win.
Also, a SB Karn Liberated works wonders in long matches against control. If you manage to resolve him and activate his abilities a few times you win the game practically guaranteed.
Largely dead against combo, though. If you've lasted long enough to play him, you've probably already won.
+1 to Star|Scream
Carpet is nuts against Blue tempo decks. No sure about the others but Thrun has been amazing against Blue control decks. Most of my wins against Blue control variants came from an unanswered Thrun. He's easier to cast but the downside is that he doesn't have evasion but can hold the fort very well if you are on the defense.
Tight plays should help and be very critical when using your therapies. You'd want to get more mileage out of them by 2 for 1ing your opponents most of the time. Save your pulses for the Walkers if you can since they are the only ones that your deeds cannot answer.
Carpet of flowers is amazing, I used to run it in enchantress. It seems really good against thresh decks packing dazes and spell pierces.
If ever there was a deck that could abuse the hell out of birthing pod, this is it. A long time ago (circa page 7 of this thread) i was having some decent results with birthing pod but mental misstep was > this deck and i stopped playing magic for a while. I decided to play a tournament a couple weeks ago (pleasantly surprised that misstep got banned) and i took the following list:
3 forest
2 swamp
2 plains
3 bayou
1 savannah
1 scrubland
3 verdant catacombs
3 windswept heath
1 marsh flats
1 phyrexian tower (never cut this)
1 dryad arbor
4 cabal therapy
2 inquisition of kozilek
2 swords to plowshares
2 maelstrom pulse
1 pernicious deed
1 garruk, primal hunter
4 green suns zenith
2 recurring nightmare
2 birthing pod
4 veteran explorer
1 birds of paradise
2 scavenging ooze
2 eternal witness
2 kitchen finks
1 harmonic sliver
1 boneshredder
1 thrun, the last troll
1 academy rector
1 shriekmaw
1 deranged hermit
1 reveilark
1 sun titan
sb:
2 thoughtsieze
2 pernicious deed
2 diabolic edict
2 krosan grip
2 choke
1 aven mindcensor
1 loaming shaman
1 scavanging ooze
1 cold-eye selkie
1 gaddock teeg
ended up 4-2 beating goblins, mono white (death and taxes), UR delver, & reanimator; lost to MUD and UGr tempo thresh. My loss to MUD was more of a loss to luck; game 1 he dropped hellkite turn 2, game 2 he dropped lightning greaves turn 1, forgemaster turn 2 (ate a stp), forgemaster turn 3 (ate an edict), and forgemaster turn 4 (turned into blightsteel). Some days you just cant win. UGr tempo thresh just seems to be a horrible matchup. Daze / spell pierce are great against mana hungry decks like this and stifle hits half the cards we run.
Some thoughts on individual cards:
Birds of paradise - this was garbage, i took it out as soon as i got home
Finks - i ran 2 in the main expecting alot of delver burn. I would prob run 1 main 1 in SB. Against aggro type decks, i would rather have removal than lifegain/2 chump blockers. Against non-aggro decks, the 4 life really isnt going to do much. It is nice to have a sacrafice for nightmare/pod that doesn't really die
Thrun - he was magical. He singlehandedly got me wins against thresh and delver. Many decks just don't have an answer for thrun
Deranged hermit - he's competing against acidic slime for this slot at 5cc. Harmonic sliver (or wickerbough elder) does the same thing as slime, and better (sliver is cheaper, elder is fatter). Hermit is great for killing plainswalkers, and generates fodder for nightmare/pod. He also combos nicely with witness/nightmare/reveilark. Until i find something better at 5cc, hes my man.
Garruk - he is only good when you have critters out to protect him. If you have critters out, you want to see nightmare/pod . Garruk only seems useful against heavy control decks, which appear to be out of style in legacy right now.
Maelstrom pulse - the versatility and ability to 2 for 1 is just hard to get rid of. the only cards that even comes close are necrotic sliver or deed which take more mana in a deck that wants mana to be playing creatures and advancing its board.
Birthing pod - I only saw it 4 times. 2 of those times it won me the game, once i was stuck on 2 mana and couldn't play much of anything, and the last time i drew it while at 5 life with nothing on the board. If you have the mana and the time to get it going, you will win, but that's a big if.
Thoughts? Can anyone convince me Garruk is any good? Whats the plan against tempo thresh, it seems kinda hopeless? Ooze is nice and all, but i really want something better/different at 2cc, is there anything good? Alot of people run grave titan, but i cant see him being better than sun titan, am i missing something?
Just ultimate'd Liliana on myself to sac 3 lands to feed a KOTR for lethal
@honz: A similar list to your has just finished 2nd out of 247 players.
http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...2&iddeck=60186
@honz: Why no Sigarda? It's one of the best 5cmc creatures there is at the moment, in my opinion.
I think because people aer afraid to run anything that costs more than 4.
This was my first thought when you were talking about 5cc creatures. Think of her like Thrum, but bigger, with evasion, and harder to remove in many cases.
@hyperchord: Isn't that what this deck is all about? Casting spells with a high cmc with a ridiculous amount of mana? 5 ain't that much, and she's easily tutored with GSZ..
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