[Deck] Dredge

[Felidae]

Nice one Ben :). Do I know the High Tide player ( that's a story I'd like to bring up a couple of times to annoy him)?

Also shoutout to Brot_ohne_Kruste for his performance at the BoM Vintage event :D.

[paeng4983]

This is the 2nd time that I used this deck. The 1st was during the summer of 2008 during Borex tournament where I landed 9th. I participated in the WCQ's side event (20 May 2012) and I landed 9th again. My powers are weak with dredge. But anyway, here's what I can still recall.

RD1 Dredge
Both games, the deck did not do its job. While on his side, he kept on dredging after dredging. His Elesh sealed our fate. 0-2

RD 2 UR delver
I won both games. G1 Iona on RED, and G2 elesh with 8 zombie tokens. 2-0

RD 3 GW mavs
The guy had 4 ooze main deck. Nothing to do here sir. :-) I lose 0-2

RD 4 UR delver
I won both games. G1 dread returning ancestral chosen twice, gaining 10 life pts gave me enough distance for me to recover before Elesh finished him-off. G2, Iona on RED.

RD 5 RUG
G3, Iona on RED and Elesh with 2 zombie tokens and 2 ichorid were to much for his nimble and tarmo to handle. :-)

[Izor]

Wow, I feel literally insulted by that SCG Open finalist's skill.


Having the whole deck foiled out and making the finals of such a big tournament, all while having no idea how to play this deck properly. Not flashbacking multiple Cabal Therapies against the combo player, why would he?

He already punted horribly during the swiss, but lucked himself into 8th place because his opponent mulligans to 2 (a game the Dredge player almost still loses due to his unlimited playskill).


It is so insane. I'm impressed. I can't watch this any more. It hurts even more that not even the commentators see those mistakes and everything is once again the deck's fault.

[Tammit67]

Wow, I feel literally insulted by that SCG Open finalist's skill.


Having the whole deck foiled out and making the finals of such a big tournament, all while having no idea how to play this deck properly. Not flashbacking multiple Cabal Therapies against the combo player, why would he?

He already punted horribly during the swiss, but lucked himself into 8th place because his opponent mulligans to 2 (a game the Dredge player almost still loses due to his unlimited playskill).


It is so insane. I'm impressed. I can't watch this any more. It hurts even more that not even the commentators see those mistakes and everything is once again the deck's fault.

It saddens me the opens have become this. At least when they had the player rewards system up and running, you had a bunch of high skilled players showing up to them every weekend and you saw decent play.

[ScatmanX]

It is so insane. I'm impressed. I can't watch this any more. It hurts even more that not even the commentators see those mistakes and everything is once again the deck's fault.

This time the commentators did see lots of mistakes, but I guess they simply can't say stuff like "omg, that guy is soo bad, and got soo lucky!", so they simply say it once like "I wonder why hasn't he flashbacked that Therapy", and move on.

[jrw1985]

Forgive me if I'm entirely talking outta my butt, but isn't being terrible kinda an awesome strategy sometimes? Like, how can your opponent possibly make the right decision against you when you're playing batshit crazy? And with a deck like Dredge, where you can dredge yourself outta just about anything, making terrible plays doesn't even matter. You got your Bridge Ichorid engine going so who the fuck cares? The deck will just play itself. It doesn't matter that you're not playing optimally because your opponent has to play as though you were, and when he's playing a different game than you He's not playing optimally either.

[K1w1]

Nice one Ben :). Do I know the High Tide player ( that's a story I'd like to bring up a couple of times to annoy him)?

Also shoutout to Brot_ohne_Kruste for his performance at the BoM Vintage event :D.

Christian Heinecke was the player. Do it, it will be funny ;)

[Felidae]

Guess this will replace my other "drive you nuts story" I constantly bring up when I see him ( playing Landstill against his UW Ninjafish in Iserlohn and somehow got 3 Preachers into play, I should have made a photo of his face after the 1st one hit the board, priceless).

@jrw1985:
I hope this was a joke...

[jares]

@jrw1985:
I hope this was a joke...

That makes two of us...

Kind Regards,
jares

[Pltnmngl]

It's hard to be convinced by Gristlebrand. Is anyone taking him seriously?

[militiaman89]

well here is the thing, the therapy's would Not of mattered because it response to dread return he just draws cards with griselbrand and forces anyway then swing with griselbrand and emrakul next turn and wins he played it correctly its just the show and tell player could have won if he played the emrakul through sneak attack let it die ( removing brdiges) and then passed

[Vandalize]

well here is the thing, the therapy's would Not of mattered because it response to dread return he just draws cards with griselbrand and forces anyway then swing with griselbrand and emrakul next turn and wins he played it correctly its just the show and tell player could have won if he played the emrakul through sneak attack let it die ( removing brdiges) and then passed

Man, you really should spend some time improving your writing.

@thread SCG Dredge players always suck, you guys should know that by now. They always play like a moron, and the deck is just broken enough to give them some wins.

[Izor]

Forgive me if I'm entirely talking outta my butt, but isn't being terrible kinda an awesome strategy sometimes? Like, how can your opponent possibly make the right decision against you when you're playing batshit crazy? And with a deck like Dredge, where you can dredge yourself outta just about anything, making terrible plays doesn't even matter. You got your Bridge Ichorid engine going so who the fuck cares? The deck will just play itself. It doesn't matter that you're not playing optimally because your opponent has to play as though you were, and when he's playing a different game than you He's not playing optimally either.

Oh right. It's just some huge next level play to ignore 2-3 CT in your graveyard and lose because your opponent can easily combo off. I'm sorry that I didn't see that. I will start playing Burn and target myself only, maybe my opponent will punt so that I win the match.


@ militiaman:

You're right, but I was referring to some turns earlier. He had two CT much earlier that game and should just have therapied for Sneak Attack/Show and Tell (it's a Sneak Show deck after all). He'll have all the time in the world if he just does that.

[jrw1985]

@jrw1985:
I hope this was a joke...

That makes two of us...

Kind Regards,
jares

Oh right. It's just some huge next level play to ignore 2-3 CT in your graveyard and lose because your opponent can easily combo off. I'm sorry that I didn't see that. I will start playing Burn and target myself only, maybe my opponent will punt so that I win the match.

I wasn't joking, just pointing out that Magic is a game of incredible variance. We might pride ourselves on making the right play, but sometimes your deck can bash through the right plays an win regardless. It ain't pretty, but a win is a win.

[JDK]

I wasn't joking, just pointing out that Magic is a game of incredible variance. We might pride ourselves on making the right play, but sometimes your deck can bash through the right plays an win regardless. It ain't pretty, but a win is a win.

You are right in one point only: McDarby was obviously really confused by his opponent's plays.

Did he really Therapy for Misdirection before using Dread Return? What's the point of this?

[Izor]

You are right in one point only: McDarby was obviously really confused by his opponent's plays.

Did he really Therapy for Misdirection before using Dread Return? What's the point of this?

Obviously he was afraid of his opponent doing the same thing as last game again; misdirect DR to a different creature. He just didn't realize that CT is the game-winning spell against a combo deck already, which is just ridiculous seeing that he made the finals. I'm wondering if he'd also Therapy for Thoughtseize against TES decks, probably he would. I don't even want to know how many CTs were in his deck in the finals after sideboarding. I bet he left the 4th one in the side.

[Felidae]

I wasn't joking, just pointing out that Magic is a game of incredible variance. We might pride ourselves on making the right play, but sometimes your deck can bash through the right plays an win regardless. It ain't pretty, but a win is a win.

Sorry but there is a difference between " winning regardless of bad plays" and:

terrible plays doesn't even matter

Of course there will allways be games where you win, even if you made horribile mistakes, thus there will be games where you lose, even if you played perfect.

However playing bad in order to confuse your opponent sounds like the worst idea ever suggested in this thread.

[JDK]

Obviously he was afraid of his opponent doing the same thing as last game again; misdirect DR to a different creature.

So what? I'd take a bad creature anytime over no creature at all (if he has Force, which I'd therefor name anytime over Misdirection).

[HokusSchmokus]

So I'm back now from BoM and it was a blast. Too bad I didn't get any sleep Friday night, due to not having a hotel room. I could have made some better decisions with keeping/mulliganing and naming for Cabal Therapy. Went 2-3 drop as a result.

Round 1 I played against Enchantress.
G1 I keep the combohand and just put lethal on board first turn after he cast a Wild Growth.
G2 He surprises me with Troll Ascetic, some +2/+2 for every other Enchantments stuff and soon had a 19/18 Troll. I make a load of Zombies and get him to six until he tries to stabilize with Island Sanctuary. I draw cards until I draw a Putrid Imp, making Zombies with Ichorid to chump the Troll and attack him with PImp for the win.

Round 2 against UW Miracle
G1 He is on the play and has the almighty Island, go. I go off and he scoops in response to my first therapy.
I put him on UW Miracle because I think he doesn't know that the deck is superhyped in Europe right now(that's why he scooped, he thought his deck is rogue).
G2 I have a slow hand and start to DDD, but don't hit a lot of stuff. He then plays Terminus when I attack him with my only 2 Ichorids, next turn Entreat the Angels for 3 and I just lose.
G3 I realize I have two options to fight the deck best. First is making some Zombies and then attack with one Ichorid at a time so Terminus has less impact, or second, I can try to put lethal on the table on the first two turns and make sure he doesn't have a chance to set up Terminus. I go for the second plan and play LED+Looting first turn, dredging 12. I hit 3 Bridges, 3 Ichorids, 1 Moeba, 1 Therapy. That's where I make my mistake: I therapy him for Force, thinking that if he has somthing I will be able to hit another Therapy and take it away. I see a hand of Crypt and EE,fail to find another Therapy but all Bridges and Ichorids instead and terribly lose to Crypt.
BTW I got ultimated by Jace this game...

Round 3 against Spiral Tide(with candles)
G1 He plays Island, go, I cast a PImp. He plays another Island, tanks, taps two, tanks, untaps, taps,untaps, says go. I discard Therapy and Troll, hitting some Bridges and a Moeba and Therapy for Merchant Scroll...and I hit 3 of them!!!
He scoops soon after.
G2 I keep a hand with 3 lands, 2 Leylines of the Void and 2 Faithless Looting.
He forces my first Looting, second one finds a Study, Study finds Breakthrough and GGT
and I combo out with him having only a Candelabra in play.

Round 4 against UBr Ad Nauseam
My favourite match of the day.
G1 I have a quick start and get him to 3 quite quick. Due to my Therapies, he has only 2 cards in hand, PiF and Ponder+1 Brainstorm in Grave with LED, Petal, Three lands in play. He goes off and manages to actually kill me Oo
G2 I keep a hand without Leylines, but able to pull of LED+ Breakthrough turn 1.
I only have one dredger and me and my opponent both sigh in disbelief as I dredge the following cards: Leyline o the Void, Leyline of the Void, Gemstone Mine, Leyline of the Void, City of Brass, Leyline of the Void. I draw 3 cards and he shakes his head as I discard Narcomoeba, Coliseum, Narcomoeba.
I try to battle away anyway, getting him to 3 again, but without having any Therapies, I just lose horribly to PiF Infernal Chain.

Round 5 against UW Miracle
G1 I keep a good hand and try to stick double LED but he Forces twice. I say go. He goes Tundra-> Top. I play land, Looting, Discard GGT, Thug, go. He does some stuff, I dredge into Ichorids, but he has double STP by now. At some time he resolved Terminus and Entreat the Angels for 5 in the same turn and I scoop.
G2 I try to check he hand with first turn Therapy for Extraction and see Brainstorm double Terminus, Force, Jace, 2 Lands. He handily draws Top and I don't get in the game at any point due to Terminus and again Entreat the Angels.

I dropped at this point because I was out of competition for top 64, it was ultra-hot and I was tired as hell. Spent the rest of the day smoking weed, playing some magic and hanging out with some friends.
It was a great trip, but the UW Miracle deck is something I am a bit worried about(seeing that K1w1 also lost)

[Izor]

So what? I'd take a bad creature anytime over no creature at all (if he has Force, which I'd therefor name anytime over Misdirection).

I was being sarcastic, sorry. Of course you're right, that's what I wanted to say. Therapying for Misdirection in order to keep your favorite DR target is utterly terrible.

A 3-year-old would understand that one should Therapy for Sneak or Show against a Sneak and Show deck.


@ Brot:

Cool story. I'm still a sad panda for not makimg it to the BoM myself this year :/