[Deck] Dredge

[jares]

You are right in one point only: McDarby was obviously really confused by his opponent's plays.

Did he really Therapy for Misdirection before using Dread Return? What's the point of this?

Confusion technique! Make the wrong plays to cause your opponent to make some wrong plays of his own!

Cheers,
jares

[jares]

It was a great trip, but the UW Miracle deck is something I am a bit worried about(seeing that K1w1 also lost)

I'm actually also interested in the development of the Miracle Whip archetype. Besides, the deck name is so much fun, I'd play it myself just for kicks.

Cheers,
jares

[HokusSchmokus]

@Brot
Who was responsible for Erik"The Maggot" Hegeman?
:D:D:D
I couldn't stop laughing.(I still am)

[NecroYawgmoth]

@Brot
Who was responsible for Erik"The Maggot" Hegeman?
:D:D:D
I couldn't stop laughing.(I still am)

Read his blog in Mtg-Forum. Very funny.

[HokusSchmokus]

I'd like to point out that even with Matignon being a total pain in my ear, the BoM Vintage final was a pleasure to watch after all that SCG Dredging. Also, the list was perfection.

[Einherjer]

Hey guys im pretty new to Dredge and would like to present to you my list:

//Dredger
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Golgari Thug
//Buisness
3 Ichorid
4 Narcomoeba
4 Bridge from Below
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Breakthrough
4 Careful Study
4 Faithless Looting
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
2 Putrid Imp
//Dread Return
3 Dread Return
1 Flayer of the Hatebound
//Lands
4 Gemstone Mine
4 Cephalid Coliseum
4 City of Brass

Still I am not set on the sideboard yet at all! Could somebody give me a decent one for an open meta?
+ Criticism is appreciated on my list.

Thank you and Greetings

[K1w1]

I'm actually also interested in the development of the Miracle Whip archetype. Besides, the deck name is so much fun, I'd play it myself just for kicks.

Cheers,
jares

It's a nice deck, but it is an easy matchup normally.
They have nothing. I think they only can win, if they counter all your spells until they get CounterTop online.

K1w1

[NecroYawgmoth]

It's a nice deck, but it is an easy matchup normally.
They have nothing. I think they only can win, if they counter all your spells until they get CounterTop online.

K1w1

Also reccur only 1 Ichorid each turn, or none at all if you have 4+ Zombies. Makes Terminus very weak. They also have a very "slow" fundamental turn so it's nP to DDD here.

[joemauer]

Still I am not set on the sideboard yet at all! Could somebody give me a decent one for an open meta?
+ Criticism is appreciated on my list.

Thank you and Greetings

Your decklist is pretty standard, the only change I would advise is try to squeeze in one more land if you could.

Here is a standard sideboard:

Elesh Norn x1
Angel of Despair x1
Iona, Shield of Emeria x1
Ancient Grudge x3
Chain of Vapor x4
Nature's Claim x4
Memory's Journey x1

[HokusSchmokus]

To run both Chains AND Claims makes me wonder how this is considered standard Oo

[joemauer]

To run both Chains AND Claims makes me wonder how this is considered standard Oo

Makes you ready for anything!

[HokusSchmokus]

Oh, so better waste 4 slots on a card that does what the other does 99% of the time?

[joemauer]

Oh, so better waste 4 slots on a card that does what the other does 99% of the time?

Oh, you are looking at them incorrectly.

Chain of Vapor is better against Reanimator and Maverick. Reanimator for the obvious. It is strong against Maverick because they use Ooze, Knight, Wheel of Sun and Moon, and/or Tormod's Crypt.

Nature's Claim is stronger versus weirdness like Mud, Enchantress, and counter top thopters. MUD seems to be making a comeback.

Also, you can use chain along side claim. Nature's Claim number 5 and 6.

I am not saying it is the best sideboard ever, but it is a pretty standard one. It is a good starting point. You can trim up on the Chains and/or Claims to fit in more Meta Specific hate like Leyline of the Void/Sanctity.

Furthermore, it is a really good idea for a new player to try both and see which works best for them. People that have played the deck for a while seem to favor one or the other. Starting with both isn't a bad idea.

[Einherjer]

What I am not sure with is the 3 BT / 2 PT split - how do the experienced players feel about it?

[HokusSchmokus]

You normally want a playset of Breakthrough on the play imo.

@Chain vs Claim: Still, most of the time they have the same role. 8 slots for the same role is too much imo.

[joemauer]

What I am not sure with is the 3 BT / 2 PT split - how do the experienced players feel about it?

I think three breakthrough is perfect. It is generally bad in multiples and we have enough cards that draw cards with looting, careful study, and Cephalid Coliseum. Also, breakthrough is usually the first card to get sided out.

I would personally play more Putrid Imps, but it would involve cutting something else: 4th thug, dread return & flayer, a careful study, a cabal therapy, or an ichorid. It kind of depends on what you want your deck to do.

@HokusSchmokus: What would you advise for a generic/standard sideboard for a new player?

[HokusSchmokus]

There is no generic Sideboard. It all depends on your maindeck and what the metagame will look like. But again, I feel like I have different views than most on this thread.
By that I mean that for example, the best sideboard is more important than the maindeck. BUT to incorperate your sideboard cards in your maindeck the main has to be build well in order to avoid performing less stellar in g2/3.
For that to achieve, I believe to run the quadlaser list is the best. But even then, there is no generic sideboard.

[lordofthepit]

Probably time for me to ask after sitting befuddled for months and not finding anything in the older thread. What does "quadlaser" refer to?

[Michael Keller]

Chain of Vapor isn't stopping Griselbrand in Reanimator, which is the most likely Entomb target - even before Elesh Norn. Nature's Claim permanently stops Leyline of the Void, Wheel, Animate Dead, Sneak Attack, etc. and forces the player with a Crypt or Relic out to use it immediately. Chain of Vapor only delays the inevitable except against maybe Leyline. It doesn't stop Scavenging Ooze because all an opponent needs is an open mana to do some damage - only to replay it the next turn with potentially one more mana to add to the hurt.

Not very good.

Also, I am still loving Ancient Grudge. No one is running Cage and in that respect it seems incredibly good right now in the match-ups that warrant its inclusion.

Sneak and Show is also rising right now, so consider changing those boards. Just something to think about.

[HokusSchmokus]

Probably time for me to ask after sitting befuddled for months and not finding anything in the older thread. What does "quadlaser" refer to?

Check the opening post. Basicly the german way of playing dredge:P
Well, it's at least very popular around here. MD is 4 off everything that is not a DR(which isn't played at all), running 12 lands.

Also, Hollywood has it right. Though I doubt Reanimator will be using Griselbrand much, Chain does almost nothing in this matchup. Even against Elesh and the like, it does less than just using actual hate cards like Leyline. Against all other relevant matchups, Claim is better.