Originally Posted by bfeingersh
Scoundrel!!! My list is very similar the only thing I would advise is replacing atleast one of the pierces with a Misdirection. Anyways, I'm assuming that you will be at the same place I will be Saturday and as such I have a submerge and volcanic you could borrow for the event if you're still in need by then. I'm also hoping there aren't too many more of us.
This sentece just displays your inexperience with Show and Tell builds. Ive been playing old SneakAttack and HiveMind and both were not as consistent as this deck is.
On the weekend Ill do some decent testing-session against UWB Terminator - maybe 25-25 again. I will test Through the Breach in the sideboard. Do you guys have any other sideboarding-plan youd like to have tested extensivly? If not Ill just do 10 preboard and 20 postboard or so to display a % for the MU.(Actually UWB is way stronger than UW due to Thoughtseize+Extirpate)
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I think the people who complain about the deck being inconsistent are the same people who insist on playing Intuition, I haven't had any problems since moving away from Intuition to Pre-Ordain at all.
I do not understand how you guys who are playing Misdirection and Daze are beating the Storm matchup, I am playing all 8 of Spell Pierce and Flusterstorm between the MD and the SB and still struggling pre and post-board vs 8 and 11 disruption spells respectively.
REB just seems worse than Flusterstorm for the people who are SBing it, it offers nothing, or next to nothing, vs non control and aggro-control match ups and doesn't give the deck the ability to play the control roll vs Storm, Reanimator or Dredge or protect itself against discard - which it badly needs to be able to do -
I also HATE City of Traitors and don't think you should bother to play it as more than a 1x, you always rather draw an Ancient Tomb on your way to ramping up to Sneak Attack fwiw.
Sneak&Show is more consistent than hive mind (which is basically a 3 card combo with a lot more dead cards and a more conditional win) and obv. stronger than old sneak attack. I would not say Sneak&Show is inconsistent, it would not be such a good deck without a certain level of consistency, but it is not consistent in a sense how Maverick or Burn is consistent. You will have draws with multiple creatues and no brainstorm to shuffle it back. Maverick and Burn will just play the business spells they draw and support their gamplan.
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Philipp, what sideboard are you using for this match up? I see your sideboard as:
//Sideboard
4 Pithing Needle
3 Red Elemental Blast
3 Surgical Extraction
2 Spell Pierce
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Ravenous Trap
I'm not sure Through the Breach shines in the UWB Terminator match up - is there something you're worried about them S&Ting into play? Given the list you posted on 5.27, is your sideboard plan -3 Lotus Petal, -2 Intuition, +3 REB, +2 Spell Pierce?
Do you cut Pierce vs. Maverick? Seems relevant vs. Choke and GSZ (obviously less relevant vs. GSZ if your are bringing in 4 GDC).
BUG has been on a hiatus lately. RUG dominating has kept Storm at bay. If Sneak & Show continues to do well, I think BUG with Edicts, discard, and Liliana will pick up again. I also think Storm will come out and play. I don't think our match-up vs. Storm is bad because we run so many counterspells (more than most control decks).
We'll see what happens this weekend.
Your storm match-up isn't bad anymore because of Griselbrand not because of ~8 relevant counterspells
I was discussing legacy with my Eternal format team, and the growing amount of Show & Tell in our meta. I was looking for some new tech (or old school) to swing the mirror, and suggested Gilded Drake.
In our initial testing it seems quite good now that Griselbrand has replaced Progenitus.
If they are not running the Through the Breach tech, you effectively neutralize their Show and Tell line of play (unbeknownst to them post board game 2). You can then focus your counters on their Sneak line of play, or simply win off Drake.
It also has some eclectic uses like pinching a Knight, a re-animation target, Etc;
I'm not saying it's optimal, just sharing some ideas. If anyone has tested this please share your view point.
DHG? That's where I'll be. I should be able to find the rest of the stuff from the other Bostonians I'm heading down with, but thanks. We should definitely meet up since I don't think we've met off the source :P
Oh sorry that I didnt mention it. The sideboard I posted earlier was the one for my local meta. THIS is the one Id play at a big tournament and which is the base of my tests (wouldnt make much sense to test a local-sideboard)
3 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Surgical Extraction
3 Through the Breach
2 Red Elemental Blast
3 Pithing Needle
2 Blood Moon( not sure about this slot. As mentioned Im no fan of it vs Maverick as Peedle is superior, but if BUG keeps to arise Ill have to play BloodMoon...)
When I play vs UWB CounterTop my sideboard-tech is: - 2 Intuition - 4 Lotus Petal +3(2) Through the Breach +2 Blood Moon +1(2) Red Elemental Blast
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Just because you compare the deck to it's older form doesn't make it super consistent overall. Sure, for a combo deck it is relatively consistent, but because of it's nature not as consistent as e.g. Maverick and Canadian. Doing "unfair" things, as you put it, is exactly what this deck is made for.
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Dream Halls is playing Progenitus because he is multicolored, a decent SnT target and gets shuffled into the library again...
Philipp,
Thank you. Why do you run the 3rd TtB? If you are uncertain about Blood Moon, I would run Vendilion Clique. Vendilion Clique is limited against Aggro matches, but against combo/control, it acts as disruption, information, and a clock.
I would do:
-4 LP
-2 Int
+2 TtB
+2 REB
+3 V. Clique
What tournament are you playing in? What match-ups do you expect?
Basically, I was using an older list that still has Blood Moons maindeck. That changes how SB works since you still have Misdirection to cut and not much to bring in - enter GDC. With my newer list, I would bring in:
+4 Pithing Needle
-3 Misdirection
-1 Spell Pierce
I'm not really worried about Choke since we can still fire off an enabler with Sol lands and Lotus Petals. Now that someone mentioned it, I think Submerge might have some merit afterall.
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Submerge? What if Maverick does not side out mothe rof runes?
Currently playing: Elves
They still have to get it out and active before you Show & Tell. It's just something to consider if you're going to be going in on the T2/3 Show & Tell and want some protection against Knights.
I'm mostly just thinking out loud. I'm going to get some more games in tonight against Maverick to decide what's the best method. Submerge gets much better vs Bant than it does Maverick - and that's where I fear Karakas more
FoW + KotR + Karakas =
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Normally I am playing in my own local tournaments - but I got some own sideboards for this. The sideboard displayed above is for GP Ghent, even though it's still under construction. Its built to beat the Decks to Beat (of my view): Canadian Threshold, Maverick, LED-Dredge, SneakAttack, UW Terminator.
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Yup, DHG. No worries. We can meet up and share techs, I'm really curious to see how trinisphere has been working for you. I may end up with blood moon main and siding 3spheres and some number of through the breach. And I'd also considering pithing needle moving forward depending on how it goes this weekend, then onto SCG Worcester.
I literally haven't played a game with this deck yet but I'm planning to test tonight!
Pithing Needle for Karakas and their occasional turn 3 Jace are strong vs. bant. Opponents having FoW is not really an issue. Did not play it yet, but I think should be a positive matchup.FoW + KotR + Karakas =
Currently playing: Elves
Bant with Clique, Jace, Karakas, is actually the worst matchup Sneak Show has, at least in my experience. In games 2 and 3 they have even more countermagic. Plus, they have a quite fast clock with Hierarchs and Knight, so we have to fight the aggressiveness of Maverick paired with the countersuit of a control deck.
Luckily and strangely, I haven't seen much Bant in the past months.
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