All B/R update speculation.

[DragoFireheart]

Because Frantic Search is stupid broken for Legacy. Seriously, I can't even begin to explain how broken the card is if you've never messed around with it. My friends back in the day refused to adhere to any format definitions, so I'd have to play vs. their 4x Demonic Tutor decks and all kinds of stupid garbage. I finally got tired of playing my Legacy vs. their broken decks and built a deck where the only banned card was Frantic Search. Let's just say after that they converted to playing Legacy legal decks for mercy.
Granted, that doesn't really mean shit in the end, but the fact remains Frantic Search is redic levels of stupid broken. It's so good it might even be able to make Solidarity a DTB again. By far the unsafest card on your list by a factor of 10.

- Ok, so one anecdote from years ago is what you have? It's not enough to just say it's a "stupid broken card". What decks would it actually cause the meta to be unhealthy? If it was as broken as you claim, making Solidarity a DTB would be a given.

Yes Goblins aren't that great right now, who cares? 2 mana stack your deck is not a fair ability and it never will be in any deck. Stax is shittier than Goblins but I don't think anyone would want to unban WorkShop. Not that Recruiter = Workshop (but then again FoodChain Goblins was a tier 1.5 Vintage deck back when Workshop ran 4x Trinispheres and it often won turn 3 and the only things not Legacy legal where 2xMoxes, Lotus, Strip Mine, and Recruiters) but a broken card is broken regardless of how shitty the deck it would go in is now. If you unban Recruiter, Goblins gets easily twice as good as an aggro deck then also has potential as a combo deck (just by sticking 4x Food Chains in main or sideboard)

- You can only stack goblins. You have to create a deck with only goblins, which severely limits its power and ability to be broken.
- A broken card in a shitty deck is going to just result in a good deck within the context of Goblins.
- So what if you can Food Chain? Turn 3 kills are not that uncommon in Legacy.
- The comparison between Recruiter and Workshop is extremely awful. Workshop has FAR many more uses than stacking Goblins in your deck.

Casting Brainstorm requires one blue mana, casting Mental Misstep required zero and as a result it ended up in a lot of decks it had no business being in just because it was the best option (Zoo/Goblins/ect.). I actually kinda miss MM era. I was cleaning up. Everyone was so focused on MM NO/Rug and UW Blade I just steamrolled them all day with Enchantress. At the same time though probably 90% of the decks I played against had MM which isn't very healthy for the format.

- I don't think your argument of "found in 90% of decks" is a good one considering that Brainstorm is very rampant. Cards seeing lots of play doesn't make them ban worthy. Otherwise, every staple that saw too much play would be up for bans.

[DragoFireheart]

Neither Griselbrand or Show&Tell need to be banned right now. The same people clamoring for a ban are the same people that thought Temporal Mastery would break the format.

- Nope, but nice try. I never called for either to be banned even though I thought TM should be banned. Don't make sweeping generalizations please.

Anyways, I think Griselbrand might have put SnT on the radar for banning. Cheating giant 15/15s into play or cheating a Necropotence 7/7 flier with life link for 3 mana is a bit powerful, but I', not sure if it's ban worthy yet.

http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/met...?format=Legacy

It's 4th place for top deck. When does the next set of bannings happen?

[Hanni]

Knight of the Reliquary needs banned. That card is broken. 7 players in top 8 with Maverick? Too many Knights if you ask me.

[rxavage]

Yes, that insult was extremely clever. How about you don't commit logical fallacies, hmm?

LOl. Do you really need attention this bad? You're like that slutty girl who got touched by her uncle.

[DragoFireheart]

Knight of the Reliquary needs banned. That card is broken. 7 players in top 8 with Maverick? Too many Knights if you ask me.

- Nah mang, island is way more broken. http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/deck.php?id=8385

11 out of 16? LOL ban that broken shit!

LOl. Do you really need attention this bad? You're like that slutty girl who got touched by her uncle.

- Says the person with his middle school insults. Don't make sweeping generalizations, it makes you look like a tool.

[joemauer]

- Nope, but nice try. I never called for either to be banned even though I thought TM should be banned. Don't make sweeping generalizations please.

I on the other hand, thought TM was fine and that Show and Tell might be a problem. I am a little apprehensive to say it should be banned, but it should definitely be on everyone's watch list.

[rxavage]

- Says the person with his middle school insults. Don't make sweeping generalizations, it makes you look like a tool.

Generic and quite hypocritical. Weren't you the one just suggesting the avoidance of logical fallacies? I gave you the rope.

[rxavage]

I on the other hand, thought TM was fine and that Show and Tell might be a problem. I am a little apprehensive to say it should be banned, but it should definitely be on everyone's watch list.

Surely. When the day comes that if or when wotc released a creature that cannot be dealt with in anyway and wins the game immediately while also being unrealistically hard-cast-able we should bitch about that.

[DragoFireheart]

I on the other hand, thought TM was fine and that Show and Tell might be a problem. I am a little apprehensive to say it should be banned, but it should definitely be on everyone's watch list.

- Griselbrand put it on the watch list. It dropped of DTB the other month, but I think by the end of this month we will see Sneak&Show deck rise in popularity. Do you think SnS will push Maverick out of its throne? Maverick has either been the most played or second most played deck this whole year and parts of Q4 from last year. It'll be interesting to see if that might happen.

[rxavage]

- Griselbrand put it on the watch list. It dropped of DTB the other month, but I think by the end of this month we will see Sneak&Show deck rise in popularity. Do you think SnS will push Maverick out of its throne? Maverick has either been the most played or second most played deck this whole year and parts of Q4 from last year. It'll be interesting to see if that might happen.

Yes, sneakshow will displace mav to an extent. I think it's really going to be the decks meant to combat sneakshow that really push maverick out but we all know who's going to get blamed. Then Zoo will make a comeback.

[joemauer]

- Griselbrand put it on the watch list. It dropped of DTB the other month, but I think by the end of this month we will see Sneak&Show deck rise in popularity. Do you think SnS will push Maverick out of its throne? Maverick has either been the most played or second most played deck this whole year and parts of Q4 from last year. It'll be interesting to see if that might happen.

This is what I mean^

If DCI doesn't straight up ban Show and Tell or Grislebrand(I know which one they would pick) then we can expect a dramatic shift in the meta game because of Show and Tell.

We can expect Zoo to not make a comeback while Show and Tell & Grislebrand are legal.

[Einherjer]

Let's display what the majority thinks:

http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...cluding-a-poll

[Hanni]

Wait, you want Sneak Attack to push out Mav? What do you mean? Maverick put 7 players in a top 8, it's too stronk. Ban Knight. The only way to fix a stronk card is for ban. Format adaptation is dumb.

[rxavage]

Do you think that a shift in the meta is bad? I hate playing the same decks every week, month after month.

[DragoFireheart]

This is what I mean^

If DCI doesn't straight up ban Show and Tell or Grislebrand(I know which one they would pick) then we can expect a dramatic shift in the meta game because of Show and Tell.

WotC isn't going to ban Grislebrand. When was the last time WotC banned a creature? Worldgorger Dragon? WotC doesn't like banning creatures in Legacy. It's almost ALWAYS a non-creature card they ban. Unlike Modern that is...

As far as a meta shift, Team America style decks will become more popular I think. Counter + discard is an easy way to fight combo decks like SnS. That or we'll continue to see Blade Control decks splash black for discard.

Wait, you want Sneak Attack to push out Mav? What do you mean? Maverick put 7 players in a top 8, it's too stronk. Ban Knight. The only way to fix a stronk card is for ban. Format adaptation is dumb.

- No, ban Forests so you cant cast the Knight. TEH FOREST IS TEH ENABLER!

[rxavage]

Wait, you want Sneak Attack to push out Mav? What do you mean? Maverick put 7 players in a top 8, it's too stronk. Ban Knight. The only way to fix a stronk card is for ban. Format adaptation is dumb.

What a fuk?

[DragoFireheart]

What a fuk?

- It's called sarcasm.

[Hanni]

Banning Forests don't stop the Knight. Cavern of Souls, Vial, City of Brass... the list goes on. Just ban Knight so I can play my other aggro decks again. Maverick is limiting my design space!

[rxavage]

- It's called sarcasm.

Seriously? My response was obviously over your head.

[DragoFireheart]

Banning Forests don't stop the Knight. Cavern of Souls, Vial, City of Brass... the list goes on. Just ban Knight so I can play my other aggro decks again. Maverick is limiting my design space!

- But then you will be weaker to Wasteland. Fair, next.

Seriously? My response was obviously over your head.

-Obviously.