All B/R update speculation.

[Vacrix]

Yup. Card disadvantage tutors are typically used in combo decks. The added versatility of Vampiric is compensated by the lifeloss (bad with Ad Nauseam) and the fact that it's not blue to pitch to FoW. Simply put, the gentlemans agreement excuse to ban MT was bullshit, and if they ban SNT, I'd like to see VT come off the list. I'm oldschool... I like combo being a pillar of the metagame.

I don't think combo is the only deck that would play it though. Consider that even if they ban SnT, Reanimator can still abuse Vampiric like they did Mystical Tutor. It would probably push Reanimator into the top DTB.

I'm sure other decks would abuse it as well. Even so, storm combo was already a little ridiculous with Mystical Tutor. I'm sure that Doomsday variants would also contend for DTB or at least one of the top decks in the format given that too few people play them for them to be DTB.

[Tao]

Vamp is a million times better than Mystical. In combo decks and everywhere else. I'd put 3-4 Vampirics Tutors in Nic Fit. Topdecking the perfect card is worth the card disadvantage and 2 life in most matchups.

[Gheizen64]

Vamp is a million times better than Mystical. In combo decks and everywhere else. I'd put 3-4 Vampirics Tutors in Nic Fit. Topdecking the perfect card is worth the card disadvantage and 2 life in most matchups.

In AnT and in reanimator i'd say vamp is probably comparable to mystical. Vamp is way better in decks like Nic Fit, but i don't think that would be a problem.

[Tao]

In Reanimator it would be similar I think. But in ANT Vampiric Tutor is probably far better. Getting LED is huge.

[Gheizen64]

In Reanimator it would be similar I think. But in ANT Vampiric Tutor is probably far better. Getting LED is huge.

I've got little experience with that deck so you're probably right.

[Fossil4182]

Regarding the banning of Brainstorm, doesn't banning Brainstorm make combo that much more powerful in Legacy?

I'm not contending that Brainstorm isn't powerful in combo decks, but it would seem that combo decks can operate much in the same manner as the do now while control and tempo decks loose a lot when they no longer have access to Brainstorm; especially in their ability to combat combo decks. Wizards has used this rational before in June of 2008 when it banned Brainstorm, but also banned Ponder in Vintage. The rational Wizard's used was that banning Brainstorm without banning Ponder gave combo decks too much of an edge over control archetypes.

I fear that while Brainstorm may cause a higher number of control and tempo decks to be prevalent, the absences of Brainstorm would only result in a boom of combo decks. I doubt Wizard's bans Brainstorm if only because it would cause an increase in combo (the one archetype they actively try to discourage: see my signature). Additionally, if the followed tradition and banned Ponder, then Legacy becomes more like Modern expect with a much more expensive mana base.

[Mr Miagi]

Are we on the ban the brainstorm wagon again? Are you serious!?

[Final Ritual]

When brainstorm was restricted it basically killed type 1. Combo decks don't need brainstorm to operate. Meanwhile control decks need the flexibility brainstorm offers them to flush away dead cards. I haven't touched any of my vintage cards since they restricted brainstorm and gush was inrestricted.

Also if they do ban brainstorm, the dci had better ban a lot of combo enablers like LED and show and tell.

[Awaclus]

To those who were discussing the unbanning of Vampiric Tutor: why not discuss unbanning Imperial Seal instead? It's still probably too powerful, but at least it's way safer than Vampiric.

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

Drew Levin's convinced they'll ban Ponder.

[Koby]

Drew Levin's convinced they'll ban Ponder.

In Standard anyway. What about Legacy?

[jrw1985]

Brainstorm is still fine and makes the game interesting.
The format has adjusted to Delver.
Show and Tell still gives your opponent a free shot at beating it.

If any new card is going to be on the blunt-end of the BanHammer it's going to be Grisselbrand.
Why do I think it will be Grizz? Because of...

Ancestral Recall
Bazaar of Baghdad
Frantic Search
Gush
Land Tax
Library of Alexandria
Memory Jar
Mind's Desire
Necropotence
Skullclamp
Timetwister
Wheel of Fortune
Windfall
Yawgmoth's Bargain
Yawgmoth's Will

Whaaaaa? Degenerate card-drawing strategies tend to get banned in Legacy?

Grizz's days are numbered. We all see the writing on the wall.

[Gheizen64]

To those who were discussing the unbanning of Vampiric Tutor: why not discuss unbanning Imperial Seal instead? It's still probably too powerful, but at least it's way safer than Vampiric.

300$ say no.

[leegoo]

300$ say no.

where are you finding seals for $300? ;)

[Ignithas_]

300$ say no.

Candelabra says yes.

Brainstorm is still fine and makes the game interesting.
The format has adjusted to Delver.
Show and Tell still gives your opponent a free shot at beating it.

If any new card is going to be on the blunt-end of the BanHammer it's going to be Grisselbrand.
Why do I think it will be Grizz? Because of...

Ancestral Recall
Bazaar of Baghdad
Frantic Search
Gush
Land Tax
Library of Alexandria
Memory Jar
Mind's Desire
Necropotence
Skullclamp
Timetwister
Wheel of Fortune
Windfall
Yawgmoth's Bargain
Yawgmoth's Will

Whaaaaa? Degenerate card-drawing strategies tend to get banned in Legacy?

Grizz's days are numbered. We all see the writing on the wall.

Ad Neuseam says no.

[dontbiteitholmes]

where are you finding seals for $300? ;)

If you can actually get Seals for $300 I will buy all of them.

Candelabra says yes.


Ad Neuseam says no.

First off Candelabras are under $200 unless they are super mint condition.

Seal is more like $450-700 as a restricted card in Vintage.

If Seal was unbanned it would probably be a $1000 card unless they reprinted it.

So Seal says no.

[Koby]

To those who were discussing the unbanning of Vampiric Tutor: why not discuss unbanning Imperial Seal instead? It's still probably too powerful, but at least it's way safer than Vampiric.

Sorcery speed top-deck tutors are not playable in Legacy.

[Ignithas_]

If you can actually get Seals for $300 I will buy all of them.




First off Candelabras are under $200 unless they are super mint condition.

Seal is more like $450-700 as a restricted card in Vintage.

If Seal was unbanned it would probably be a $1000 card unless they reprinted it.

So Seal says no.

I only wanted to tell him, that costing much moneyisn't a reason for a card to be banned when it's not too powerfull. That Seal would cost 1000 $ if it would be unbanned is probably right.

[nedleeds]

Imperial Seal isn't even on the reserved list. WotC should throw it in the next commander deck.

[nedleeds]

When brainstorm was restricted it basically killed type 1.

Proxies killed type 1. The reserved list killed type 1. Finally the euro being worth 2 dollars a few years ago was the nail in the coffin. Go check some european turn outs for vintage.

Combo decks don't need brainstorm to operate.

Maybe some pile like belcher. Brainstorm fuels all the storm decks, doomsday and show and tell combo. No way any of those decks can navigate a 7-10 round event with any kind of consistency without brainstorm, if the control and aggro decks still have brainstorm.

I haven't touched any of my vintage cards since they restricted brainstorm and gush was inrestricted.

So?

Also if they do ban brainstorm, the dci had better ban a lot of combo enablers like LED and show and tell.

Good luck crafting a hand without brainstorm. Good luck no losing to a well played Thoughtseize without brainstorm.

Brainstorm is a crutch for all the decks you talk about, control, combo and aggro. It makes the format too easy.