[Deck] GW/x Maverick

[mini1337s]

Thanks for posting that M@verick. It's nice to see other variations on the deck as well, don't mind the criticism.
Have you tried Thalia in the maindeck, or does Revoker fill that role for you? I found it helped my weaker matchups, but at the expense of taxing my Green Suns.

[Philipp2293]

Guys, at least give the guy some respect, as I suppose he's the creator of the deck, no need to be condescending, I guess he has paid close enough attention to the development of the deck and has his reasons to run his build.

That said, I've been running the Vial Maverick list in the post-Survival pre-GSZ meta, and I have found that this particular version has troubles with running out of gas too easily, something that can be easily circumvented with running Zenith. Also, how does the Vial Version compensate for not having access to Teeg/Ooze G1?
Furthermore, no Pridemage seems really weird for me, even if you have Revokers to partially compensate for this.

[.:saturno:.]

the criticism are right if u dont esplain me why ur choice are better then mine! and the all the world player... -.-'

[AlmostGrown]

I'm considering running an E-Tutor sb with 6 slots left for e-tutor targets. Aside from Canonist, COP:RED, what should I play? I all ready have 1 ooze main deck. Should I have a tormod's crypt? And should it be 3 or 4 e-tutors?

[M@verick]

Thanks, Philipp2293

I really dont care about critics. I was heavily criticed when i first played scryb ranger (got many disconecteds in MWS), and when i decided not to play goyf (almost all decks played 4-of).
GSZ is much better card than aether vial, but I see from another perspective... is like playing gobos or merfolks without vial... I have played a lot both version, but now I am playing vial because I get better results in tourneys. Thats all. I dont think vial is better, is just different.

@Philipp2293
- Revoker over qasali: i was afraid at beginning, but I haven´t noticed the qasali absence. Of course with GSZ is better qasali
- Out of gas: Never. The deck has a powerfull draw engine and card advantatge: 3 horizon canopy, 2 sylvan library, 4 stoneforge mystic, 3 wayfarer, 2 eternal witness. Topdecking a vial in late game is horrible, but when you resolves one in turn 1 against any blue deck, black deck or in mirror, you know you are close to winning.
-Gaddock and ooze: I agree with you, we cant look for this powerfull cards, but i try to compensate with the rest of the deck. Depending on meta, I would play 2 or 3 ooze/gaddock instead of witness. But it wouldnt be the same (without GSZ).

[mini1337s]

- Out of gas: Never. The deck has a powerfull draw engine and card advantatge: 3 horizon canopy, 2 sylvan library, 4 stoneforge mystic, 3 wayfarer, 2 eternal witness.

I think that's what people don't get when they are skeptical of your list/running aether vial. Right now, the current trend is to run Canopy as a singleton, mostly as psuedo-Savannah #5, and a lot of people have cut Stoneforge all together.
You seem to have a very powerful draw engine simply by utilizing your deck differently. That being said, do you find your matchups versus combo decks to be weak, atleast G1? Half the reason I love using Thalia and Co. is that I feel like I have a decent chance of beating out combo in game one, and sure up my matchup for G2.

[Water_Wizard]

I'm considering running an E-Tutor sb with 6 slots left for e-tutor targets. Aside from Canonist, COP:RED, what should I play? I all ready have 1 ooze main deck. Should I have a tormod's crypt? And should it be 3 or 4 e-tutors?

lots of decks only run 2 E-Tutors, 3 is the most I would run.

I would run Crypt.
Metamorph is good with all the Show and Tell running around and the probable resurgence of Reanimator after Reid Duke's win last weekend.
Thorn of Amethyst is strong vs. combo and is a non-creature Thalia (survives Infect, Deathmark, etc.), but Thorn may a little redundant with Thalia.
Ensnaring Bridge is solid vs. fattie decks, but I prefer Peacekeeper in that slot.
Oblivion Ring is a good catch all - also good vs. Show and Tell decks and can be used to stop a Jace or Humility.
Serenity is solid vs. MUD, Affinity and Enchantress.
Stony Silence is solid vs. MUD, Affinity, and Combo (stops LED/Lotus Petal/Chrome Mox).
Engineered Explosives is good vs. RUG, Elves, and token decks (Empty the Warrens, etc.).
Compost is solid if you expect to see Pox.

It really depends on what you expect to see, but I think Phyrexian Metamorph, Tormod's Crypt, Oblivion Ring, Ethersworn Canonist, and COP:Red is a good start in the current environment.

[Nutox]

My current list:

4 Wasteland
1 Gaea's Cradle
4 Savannah
1 Forest (3)
1 Plains (3)
4 Windswept Heath
3 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
2 Cavern of Souls
1 Maze of Ith
4 Mother of Runes
4 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Weathered Wayfarer
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Birds of Paradise
3 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Scryb Ranger
2 Eternal Witness
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
4 AEther Vial
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
2 Sylvan Library

Sideboard

3 Gaddock Teeg
3 Choke
4 Surgical Extraction
2 Krosan Grip
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben

Very sexy. Looks like a great list with which to hose RUG Tempo / Sneak Show. Aether Vial looks like the answer we're searching for vs. these two decks (not that RUG needed an answer) WAY beyond moxes/spirit guides. Sure, when the game goes long, GSZ is worth more, but, I don't think those two decks are aiming at the late-game.

Revoker is even more useless than Pridemage vs. RUG, but, oh well. Still blocks Goyf.

And I, for one, fear not casting Surgical on Brainstorms/Ponders, if needs be. Early play like this can drain counters to help Vial resolve. If there was room to board out 7 cards / you didn't board in KGrip.

I would rather sleeve up American Maverick vs. a deck like Stax, but that's not the question.

[xiaocho]

Ur decklist has made me join this forum now x)

I've been thinking about the QPM/Revoker issue all day long.

While QPM naturally is the better beater (Exalted + more toughness) the only matchup where I prefer QPM over Revoker due to their abilities to hate artifacts/enchantments is the one against Enchantress. Even against Affinity u can simply name Cranial Plating making Affinity decks much slower. In most other matchups Revoker does the job just as good as QPM or outclasses it (e.g. against Pernicous Deed, Engineered Explosives, Sneak Attack, ...). The point is most artifacts and enchantments that are currently played require activation costs and therefore Revoker is just as capable or even better than QPM. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the conclusion of my brainstorming.

If I ever get the feeling that I got to improve my matchups against blue controldecks desperately, I'll consider including Vial. But for the time being I'll stick to the grindy Zenith version.

[flounce]

If you make T2 Phyrexian Revoker against Sneak and Show, do you name Grislebrand or Sneak attack?

[Thorondor]

I would name sneak attack, depends if you have karakas/knight in hand. So you can handle emrakul anyway.

[TarmoX]

Ur decklist has made me join this forum now x)

I've been thinking about the QPM/Revoker issue all day long.

While QPM naturally is the better beater (Exalted + more toughness) the only matchup where I prefer QPM over Revoker due to their abilities to hate artifacts/enchantments is the one against Enchantress. Even against Affinity u can simply name Cranial Plating making Affinity decks much slower. In most other matchups Revoker does the job just as good as QPM or outclasses it (e.g. against Pernicous Deed, Engineered Explosives, Sneak Attack, ...). The point is most artifacts and enchantments that are currently played require activation costs and therefore Revoker is just as capable or even better than QPM. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the conclusion of my brainstorming.

If I ever get the feeling that I got to improve my matchups against blue controldecks desperately, I'll consider including Vial. But for the time being I'll stick to the grindy Zenith version.

Pridemage destroy definitely a menace <=> Revoker deals well against activated ability of permanents but.........can be removed!!!

[Hof]

My current list:

4 Wasteland
1 Gaea's Cradle
4 Savannah
1 Forest (3)
1 Plains (3)
4 Windswept Heath
3 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
2 Cavern of Souls
1 Maze of Ith
4 Mother of Runes
4 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Weathered Wayfarer
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Birds of Paradise
3 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Scryb Ranger
2 Eternal Witness
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
4 AEther Vial
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
2 Sylvan Library

Sideboard

3 Gaddock Teeg
3 Choke
4 Surgical Extraction
2 Krosan Grip
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben

Good to see an "old school" Maverick list again.

It's true that Vial is gamebreaking against Ugr Threshold and blue decks in general, but at the cost of some consistency. GSZ improves consistency so much - it's the green Brainstorm, as I am sure you are aware. Do you think it would be possible to play a combination of Vials and GSZ? It's not like the deck are that different, I think. I am thinking 3 Vials + 2 GSZ. That way you could still play singleton bombs like Ooze maindeck, still have a decent chance of seeing Vial early , but not double Vial, and the two cards don't get in the way of each other much, I think. Just an idea.

[Esper3k]

Ur decklist has made me join this forum now x)

I've been thinking about the QPM/Revoker issue all day long.

While QPM naturally is the better beater (Exalted + more toughness) the only matchup where I prefer QPM over Revoker due to their abilities to hate artifacts/enchantments is the one against Enchantress. Even against Affinity u can simply name Cranial Plating making Affinity decks much slower. In most other matchups Revoker does the job just as good as QPM or outclasses it (e.g. against Pernicous Deed, Engineered Explosives, Sneak Attack, ...). The point is most artifacts and enchantments that are currently played require activation costs and therefore Revoker is just as capable or even better than QPM. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the conclusion of my brainstorming.

If I ever get the feeling that I got to improve my matchups against blue controldecks desperately, I'll consider including Vial. But for the time being I'll stick to the grindy Zenith version.

Pridemage is also better at dealing with equipment and enchantments like Blood Moon (which shut off Karakas).

On top of that, a big selling point to it in Maverick is that it's tutorable via Green Sun's Zenith.

[.:saturno:.]

if ur problem are counter, run 2/4 cavern of soul.
if ur problem are pernicius/etc.. removal run 1 or more phyrexian revoker searchable by fauna shaman...
but dont waste GW maverick list in this way!

[bartmanqc]

This might be sick...

[Koby]

Might be reason enough to play with Spike Feeder / Spike Weaver now :P

And yes, this guy is better than Elspeth in so many ways.

[Julian23]

I love the cmc of 2 as it makes this guy come down on turn2 most of the time. He however trails Elspeth when it comes to protecting himself.

[defector]

That is a very different perspective on Maverick. I like how it really abuses KotR. I can't convince myself to run it in Atlanta, but I can't discount it either. Good luck with that direction. I think one of the things with Mav is that the core 16 cards or so are just so strong that you can flex a lot of the rest of the slots. Also, props for dropping Dryad Arbor, I've cut mine as well, he just doesn't make as much sense as he used to. Anyway, good luck with the design, I'm calling Mav officially forked:)

[Esper3k]

He's a lot more aggressive than Elspeth. Dropping him and having your KoTR be able to swing for evasive lethal immediately is pretty nuts.

Also, being able to play him under Teeg is just another nice little bonus.