sorry for all the grammar mistakes on the last post, im in a hurry
1) So far, it seems very slow, especially in today's meta of very fast tempo decks. However, I believe lavafrogg/someone else is still using that plan. I'm playing a 1-of Life just for value.A couple of questions for experienced Rock players:
1) Does anyone use Life from the Loam/Raven's Crime/Cycle lands anymore?
2) Is Pernicious Deed no longer good enough for maindeck inclusion?
3) Has anyone tried Grave Titan as a high-end bomb? (This may be more of a Nic-Fit type of play.)
Thank you in advance for any help!
2) Not really. It's quite slow and narrow, and it has fewer matchups that it's good against than before. Problem is, against Maverick, they can GSZ and Qasali it before you can play and activate it. It's still very good in the sideboard, though.
3) I haven't personally tried it, but it could be tried. 6 mana is a lot, and we're usually doing stuff with that mana anyway (Ooze, casting spells, etc.). You could definitely try it and let us know :)
-Matt
EE seems better than Deed maindeck. EE is usually a turn faster, doesn't hurt off a Bob reveal, and can hit Planeswalkers. I understamd EE doesn't sweep the board completely, but EE's positives outweigh the negatives when compared to Deed.
I think I'm the only one who swears by Loam/cycle lands, and that has been solidified by the inclusion of liliana of the veil.Originally Posted by Mr. Safety
Deeds and titans are just not fast enough right now and make perfect sideboard cards for the slower match ups. You have to be mainboarded to deal with faster decks, rug/combo, as they are super popular right now.
"eggs... why'd it have to be eggs"
It may be time again to switch back to Leyline of the Void as the preferred Graveyard hate. Thoughts?
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Why would you say that?
-Matt
There has been an increase in Graveyard (semi)based strategies coming back into the light. *That was REALLY fast for a response!
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I'm just sitting here, waiting for your replies. PM me your msn :P
Has Dredge really come back in a big way, or are you referring more to Reanimator, or both?
-Matt
It's that a lot of decks I've been seeing (Dredge, Loam based decks, Reanimator, etc) have not only been coming back but have also become fast enough and packing enough disruption that you're not 100% on being able to hit with the extractions. Additionally, the counter decks are now returning to Spell Pierce>Snare which causes issues there as well.
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i'm putting it again in my 15 (and will do playtest this coming days), after attending GP manila philippines side event legacy i faced lots of reanimators dumping griselbrand and also dredge players esp. faithless dredge, sorry folks i used nic fit there, and starting from now i'm back from my first legacy deck--junk :) still i enjoyed a GY hate of 2 nihils, 1 tormods, 1 relic of progenitus, 2 extirpate from my nic fit sb :)
I think at this point junk should be the deck playing 3-4 oozes main in addition to faster hate in the sideboard. At least that would give us a good shot at most game ones against graveyard decks.
"eggs... why'd it have to be eggs"
I 100% disagree with this idea. I'm not saying that it isn't a good card. Why I'm disagreeing, "Ooze gets worse with each one past the first you add to your 75. It's not Goyf - multiples don't play well together."
Additionally, even though the format has been returning to the importance of graveyards and its hate, there are other matches out there. Adding more Ooze to your 75 pulls from those matches. 1-2 Ooze is fine. At 3-4 you're asking to have issues with them stepping on each other's 'toes'.
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i agree with you lavafrogg, i'm thinking of 4 bob 4 kotr 2-3 goyf and 3 ooze as my creatures w/ or w/o GSZ, your thoughts?
3 oozes are way too much. Ooze isn't a good card to topdeck when you already have one in play.
i think thats fine, i will not play the ooze in my hand and let my ooze in my field annoys my opponent GY if he destroyed it thats fine also i have a 2nd one in my hand, atm u have 2 ooze idk if it is enough, ooze is quite expensive here and limited in sources lemme know your thoughts?
i already told you my opinion. you seem content to run 3.
sorry bro i mean to say i have only 2 copies of ooze :) yes my initial plan is to run 3 but i will test it first in mws maybe :)
Ooze just has a pseudo legendary status. Against reanimator and dredge you want the first ooze ASAP, especially since we have no way to dig for one. If you are playing GSZ that might be fine but most junk players are not.
Against non graveyard matchups an ooze usually needs to only eat 2-3 dudes to be the largest creature on the board. Leaving plenty of room for others.
"eggs... why'd it have to be eggs"
Talking about specific dudes, are anyone trying to do some business with Thrun?
I just got über rolled by mirace whip last night and had everything countered, but i recon that thrun could be a problem for them. Is it too expensive though?
Im thinking that it could be a one off in decks that use Mox Diamonds to fix the double green mana issue easily.
Any thoughts?
Getting an early Ooze up to a high enough level when you're Swording and other people are also trying to Ooze can be a bit more difficult than it may seem (graveyard based decks are going to be easier). I think it's a bad idea but, Everyone thought my mixing the SFM and GSZ Packages was a bad idea. So give it a chance. Let us know how it turns out.
As far as Thrun goes, a lot of people tried it and didn't like it (myself included). Against Miracle Whip, I think you'd rather have Choke and an Extra Teeg instead. Thrun still bites it to Terminus.
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