[DTB] Sneak Attack

[Deez_Naughts]

I will reiterate again; Gilded Drake.

I suspect this technology is being grossly overlooked...

[JPA]

hey everyone....just getting into this deck. Thinking about moving away from T.E.S. It looks like a ton of fun. So what would be a good list to start with? I noticed some people play Daze and others do not. Also whats a good side board plan for Maverick and RUG?


P.S. I have only played T.E.S. and Belcher for the past 2 years as my first Legacy decks.

Many Thanks.
-Lambert101

http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckd...p?DeckID=46501

That's the stock list I would recommend to anyone. I tested with it a lot (among other lists) and it is, in my opinion, just the best one.

Against RUG you would board in the Blasts, probably for 2 Intuition and 1 Misdirection. Against Maverick bringing in the Through the Breaches and Echoing Truths, taking out the Misdirections and 1 Intuition or something like that.

But these 2 matchups are pretty good in general. Against RUG, we have enough counters to push our combo through. Versus Maverick/Karakas we have Griselbrand, who will draw us enough cards to win via Sneak Attack.

Btw, we are back to Deck to Beat! :)

[Esper3k]

I'm still a pretty big fan of Blood Moon both against RUG and Maverick. RUG players still aren't playing any basics, so it becomes another bomb we throw that they have to counter or lose the game (if they don't have much pressure out). Against Maverick, it shuts off Karakas.

[Esper3k]

Also, how do people feel about Pyroclasm against Maverick? It cooks off all the little dudes like Thalia & Qasali Pridemage (to slow them down and give us more time), but is considerably less effective when Mother is around.

Also, do you guys really board out some Misdirections against RUG? I feel maximizing the number of FoWs in that matchup is so important since we can play around much of their countermagic (Daze, Spell Pierce) and stopping their hard counters (FoW, REB) is the real key to getting down Show & Tell / Sneak Attack?

[Deez_Naughts]

I'm still a pretty big fan of Blood Moon both against RUG and Maverick. RUG players still aren't playing any basics, so it becomes another bomb we throw that they have to counter or lose the game (if they don't have much pressure out). Against Maverick, it shuts off Karakas.

There is an underlying misconception regarding Blood Moon vs RUG. In decks that play the midrange and/or control strategy Blood Moon is a bomb. With Sneak/Show, we simply win by resolving Show/Sneak turn(s) 2-4; for which they have no awnser, there by making Blood Moon almost redundant, that is, if your resolving Blood Moon, you would have simply combo'd off.

As previously mentioned, Blood Moon vs Maverick is ok, but Griselbrand simply goes over the top of Karakas with Sneak and Breach.

Those 3 SB slots are much better off shoring up the tech and bounce slots.

[Deez_Naughts]

Also, how do people feel about Pyroclasm against Maverick? It cooks off all the little dudes like Thalia & Qasali Pridemage (to slow them down and give us more time), but is considerably less effective when Mother is around.

Also, do you guys really board out some Misdirections against RUG? I feel maximizing the number of FoWs in that matchup is so important since we can play around much of their countermagic (Daze, Spell Pierce) and stopping their hard counters (FoW, REB) is the real key to getting down Show & Tell / Sneak Attack?

I have found sweepers to be much to narrow against the field, including Maverick, given MoR.

As for boarding vs RUG, I go -1 MisD, -2 Intuition (as most lists run Extraction), +3 REB

My current list:

4x Scalding Tarn
4x Polluted Delta
3x Ancient Tomb
2x City of Traitors
2x Island
2x Volcanic Island
1x Mountain

4x Griselbrand
4x Emrakul, The Aeons Torn

4x Lotus Petal
4x Force of Will
4x Spell Pierce
4x Brainstorm
4x Ponder
4x Show and Tell
4x Sneak Attack
3x Misdirection
2x Intuition
1x Preordain

Side Board:

4x Leyline of Sanctity
3x Red Elemental Blast
3x Grafdiggers Cage
3x Echoing Truth
2x Through The Breach

I have finally come around to the idea of cutting Daze, and adding the full complament of Pierces, and a Preordain. Given my success with this archetype, I have a good feeling of what works, and I belive Spell Pierce to be a real lynch pin for this deck, espicially given the increase of Show based decks and Reanimator. All in all, Pierce is extremely good right now, and I suspect it will be for quite sometime.

[Esper3k]

There is an underlying misconception regarding Blood Moon vs RUG. In decks that play the midrange and/or control strategy Blood Moon is a bomb. With Sneak/Show, we simply win by resolving Show/Sneak turn(s) 2-4; for which they have no awnser, there by making Blood Moon almost redundant, that is, if your resolving Blood Moon, you would have simply combo'd off.

As previously mentioned, Blood Moon vs Maverick is ok, but Griselbrand simply goes over the top of Karakas with Sneak and Breach.

Those 3 SB slots are much better off shoring up the tech and bounce slots.

See, while I agree that Blood Moon isn't good against RUG if they have pressure on the board, my experience with it is that it's another must-counter for them otherwise they lose the game in most situations. If it resolves, great - you won. If it doesn't, it ate countermagic that could've stopped Show & Tell / Sneak Attack.

I have found sweepers to be much to narrow against the field, including Maverick, given MoR.

As for boarding vs RUG, I go -1 MisD, -2 Intuition (as most lists run Extraction), +3 REB

Yeah, I was thinking Pyroclasm might be a little too narrow, but man I also hate losing to Elves!

Against RUG (and most lists in general), I'll board out Intuition as well due to Extractions. I've been preferring Flusterstorm / Cliques over REBs though. I've really been liking Clique because it frees up your mana on your combo turn and deals with pretty much anything your opponent might be holding in their hand to drop off your Show & Tell or extra countermagic.

[useL]

Sooo,

who will continue to play this deck when Griselbrand gets axed in a few days? I feel I might have overcommitted and bought 4 Griselbrand too soon.

[JPA]

I will play this deck until either enabler gets banned. :-) Maybe not as my main choice anymore, also because I have found it more fun to play interactive decks lately (I just feel dirty when I play with Griselbrand xD), but it will still be a pretty decent deck without Griselbrand.

[Esper3k]

Just picked up my 4th foil GB, so I'm all in!

[catmint]

surely not playing it without griselbrand. Sneak Attack Progenitus...

[rxavage]

surely not playing it without griselbrand. Sneak Attack Progenitus...

SneakShow was a decent option over Reanimator in the meta before Griselbrand was printed. Granted Gris has given the deck some consistency it was lacking but I think if he is banned Progenitus will do ok in a meta filled with Mav and UW miracle.

[Michael Keller]

If Gilded Drake starts getting out of control to fight it off and either piece is still legal, there's always GriselBrand!

[rxavage]

If Gilded Drake starts getting out of control to fight it off and either piece is still legal, there's always GriselBrand!

LOL. Not bad, and it cycles!

[bfeingersh]

Has anyone figured out something to beat Reanimator? I played against it 3/4 rounds at a small GPT yesterday and it felt impossible to win

[lochlan]

Beating Reanimator starts with 4 Grafdigger's Cages. They can't bring in Show and Tell post-board, thus Cage totally shuts down their deck. Their only out to a resolved Cage is bounce, so it slows them down considerably.

They are almost always going to win game 1, so the only hope is to blow them out games 2 and 3--thus 4 Cages are required, 3 will never be enough (even with cantrips). My current sideboard plan vs. Reanimator is bounce (1x Echoing Truth and 1x Wipe Away, for Pithing Needle naming Sneak Attack), Cage, Through the Breach, and a couple tech slots, and it's been working very well.

Edit: another important piece is to make sure you're not dismantling your deck when you SB. A lot of people see Lotus Petals and Intuition as being the go-to flex slots, but that's not always correct. Reanimator is faster than you, so if you board out four Petals and two Intuitions you'll be slow and have a hard time finding the win. Obviously Show and Tell is the best board-out in the Reanimator match-up, but I'd also go for: 1x Intuition, 2x Misdirection, 1x Preordain, and maybe up to one lotus petal depending on what your board looks like.

[rxavage]

Has anyone figured out something to beat Reanimator? I played against it 3/4 rounds at a small GPT yesterday and it felt impossible to win

Fight over their entomb's, careful studies, and Thoughseize if they target themselves, you also need atleast 4 pieces of gy-hate. If they run exhume leave your intuitions in so you can intuition for Griselbrand in exhume one of your own blowing theirs. I run a Wipe Away main so I don't auto lose to Blazing Archon g1 and side 2 more Echoing Truth. So I'm Usually siding in 4 relic, 2 Echoing Truth, 2 Through the Breach, and 2 REB while taking out 4 Show&Tell, 2 Spell Pierce, 4 Lotus Petal. I'm unsure if siding the petals out is correct but theyre already faster than us anyways. I'd maybe even take out 2 ponder for 2 Vendilion Clique now that i think about it. Also, playing around Daze at all times is a given.

[catmint]

Reanimator has been discussed already, but let's go through it again now that SCG figured out that Reanimator would be a good choice right now.

G1 is of course bad. You need luck. Don't be shy going for S&T if there is no sneak attack in sight. So of course it kind of starts as an uphill battle. G2 you have to go on "full control" mode. I bring in:
+ 2 Grafidggers Cage
+ 3 Surgical Extraction
+ 2 Echoing Truth
+ 2 Pyroblast
+ 2 Divert

- 4 Show & Tell
- 3 Lotus Petal
- 3 Creatures (2 Griselbrand, 1 Emrakul)
- 1 Preordain

[Final Fortune]

If you have to SB out Show&Tell then you need to SB in Through the Breach in order not to be completely passive in the match up. It's an irritating loss of SB space for Reanimator, but just trying to out counter them and out hate them leaves you in awkwards situations where you're struggling to assemble the win condition.

The same applies to the mirror, Through the Breach becomes the most important card in your SB IMO.

[lochlan]

Through the Breach becomes the most important card in your SB IMO.

I could not agree more. Vs. Reanimator I expect Pithing Needle naming Sneak Attack. If I didn't bring in Through the Breach (in addition to my bounce) I could not win.

And my testing has shown that taking out your Lotus Petals is a bad idea. "Full control" means you're giving them more turns to win (or find Pithing Needle) before you can execute your plan. Although the deck feels hopelessly slow compared to Reanimator that doesn't mean you should just give up all hope of ending the game quickly.