All B/R update speculation.

[Clown of Tresserhorn]

love love love the DCI.

Didn't see the need for bannings, and unbanning tax is super awesome. Time to pick up Parfait!

[thefringthing]

Three months of non-stop Griselbrand it is then.

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

Selective Memory, watch the fuck out!

[dontbiteitholmes]

Guess a lotta bros knew Land Tax was unbanned, because it was sold out ten minutes before midnight all across mainstream stores.

They update the images on the server before the articles go live so if you know about where the image should be you can see it before the official announcement goes up.

So long story short lots of people where camping the WotC site and found this
early. Don't worry though, Land Tax isn't the hottest investment...

[Gheizen64]

Legacy:

No changes

Hoped they had the balls to actually unban something, but well, i guess sooner or later they'll have to do something.

[Pippin]

Three months of non-stop Griselbrand it is then.

Gutted about it

And the Wizards response of "The top tournament decks in Legacy include Reanimator, RUG Delver, and Sneak and Show" is just dumb. It should rather say:

"The top tournament decks in Legacy are Griselbrand decks and RUG Delver"

Argument to unban Land Tax is also mind-boggling! It doesn't belong in Griselbrand decks and RUG delver so its okay to unban it. Why didn't they unban Earthcraft then? Or Hermit Druid? Or Fastbond? Or any other random card?

Meh, here's a hopping that Griselbanned will be gone in September

[Hopo]

DCI thinks that legacy is healthy, and props to them for that.
I think that Land Tax will hardly affect the format, yet it gives people something to fuzz and tinker about. Good call and let's hope we'll see some more unbanning in the future.

To all cry-babies: if Griselbrand is so oppressive and impossible to beat and draws you 14 on turn one all the time and makes you sell your cards and to not eat your breakfast, why do you think that the premiere body regarding tournament play - the DCI - didn't make the same observation?

[Tao]

Gutted about it

And the Wizards response of "The top tournament decks in Legacy include Reanimator, RUG Delver, and Sneak and Show" is just dumb. It should rather say:

"The top tournament decks in Legacy are Griselbrand decks and RUG Delver"

It might as well say "The top tournament decks in Legacy include Brainstorm.dec, Brainstorm.dec and Brainstorm.dec."

[Hopo]

It might as well say "The top tournament decks in Legacy include Brainstorm.dec, Brainstorm.dec and Brainstorm.dec."

Or Duallandsandfetches.dec OR Fow.dec OR Ponder.dec OR my personal favorite: Legacy.dec

[Vacrix]

Argument to unban Land Tax is also mind-boggling! It doesn't belong in Griselbrand decks and RUG delver so its okay to unban it. Why didn't they unban Earthcraft then? Or Hermit Druid? Or Fastbond? Or any other random card?

Meh, here's a hopping that Griselbanned will be gone in September

Because dropping your Squirrel Nest with Show and Tell is way more baller than playing Griselbrand. It wouldn't stay legal for long.

I'm pretty stoked they unbanned Land Tax. Its about time WotC started taking these banned cards into consideration for unbanning because some of them are a lot of fun to play with, Land Tax being a good example.

[I am the brainwasher]

Land Tax unbanned.



Har. har. har.

[Pippin]

DCI thinks that legacy is healthy, and props to them for that.
I think that Land Tax will hardly affect the format, yet it gives people something to fuzz and tinker about. Good call and let's hope we'll see some more unbanning in the future.

To all cry-babies: if Griselbrand is so oppressive and impossible to beat and draws you 14 on turn one all the time and makes you sell your cards and to not eat your breakfast, why do you think that the premiere body regarding tournament play - the DCI - didn't make the same observation?

Because too little time passed to ban card that was just released? Because no big GP was held yet with Griselbrand legal?

Main problem with Griselbrand is that it pushes non blue decks out of the format. It's either play Griselbrand.deck or something with counterspells and ok clock. This wasn't like this before Y. Bargain 2.0 was printed, and lots of non-blue decks like Aggro Loam/Maverick/etc. had a chance to compete in the meta.
Same thing happened when Mental Misstep was legal. Look how that ended up.

On the other hand I understand the view of some. If everything is ok at a small GPT in a non-important country (due to player base), then it surely must be everywhere else. Assuming people played decks they wanted to play, and not decks that they could afford making meta not relevant.

[Hopo]

Because too little time passed to ban card that was just released?

Now you're talking.

Because no big GP was held yet with Griselbrand legal?

In other words: there has been no reason to ban it. Nice job, dude. One can tell that you surely have thought this well through.

Main problem with Griselbrand is that it pushes non blue decks out of the format.

That is not a main problem, that is your problem. If you want flavor, go read some more Harry Potter. It shouldn't matter what colour your card frames are.

I understand that someone actually cares about the colors for some reason, I just don't think they should.

[xfxf]

I think Pippin cares about the colors of the card frames because they also go hand in hand with different strategies associated with those colors.

[I am the brainwasher]

The explanation is as simple as it can get.
RUG's pretty much the most dominant deck right now. It is a tempo-deck that tries to get virtual/real card advantage by negating the opponents mana and is able to work with lesser resources than most opposing decks do.
No deck put up threatening numbers just quite yet, so they unbanned a card that is at first glance a way to fight the "strongest" decks angle of attack.
I think it's meh since Griselbrand, UW and maybe Threshold will beat the crap outta this format for quite some time now, but hey, Goblins are back, so everything will be just fine, right?
Seems like anyone can suck all of the DCI's job outta his fingers in a minute. Why the fukc can't they hire someone who knows actually what he's doing... .

[Awaclus]

I think Pippin cares about the colors of the card frames because they also go hand in hand with different strategies associated with those colors.

So what? It's a strategy game, you aren't supposed to win if your strategy is bad. Also, this might be worth reading: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playi...in-part-1.html

[xfxf]

I am a blue player as you can see from my signature, I think you should think in that context before going defensive and trying to look smart.

Pipping was complaining about some strategies (non-blue ones at that) being pushed out of the format and being not good anymore, and Hopo was making irrelevant rants about card colors and flavor, I just wanted to pull back Pippin's argument back into discussion.

I don't agree with Pippin's argument. But I don't like smug responses taking arguments out of context and turning the thread into a troll war either.

[Julian23]

I think Pippin cares about the colors of the card frames because they also go hand in hand with different strategies associated with those colors.

While this used to be true way back in the past, I don't think it's true anymore.

[xfxf]

@Julian
I agree with you and as you can see from my above post I wasn't defending that argument, just trying to take it for what it was.

Yes, general inclination is to think of blue decks on the control/combo/unfair side of things and to think of non-blue decks on the aggro/fair side. Currently due to the power of Delver even blue decks are playing the fair aggro game to some extent. Even the RUG thread in MTGSalvation is under the aggro section and I agree with that. Also there are other outliers to that presumption such as non-blue combo decks (Elves), non-blue control decks (Pox, MUD, White Stax) but the strenght and viability of those decks are debatable. It's not to say that I think blue is oppressive or overrepresented. I don't.

[nedleeds]

And also ... Land Tax pairs great with Brainstorm.