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    Comment on the final, first game. I was just as su rprised as Chapin to see Glacial Chasm to land that turn it did, instead of tabernacle. But after thinking about it, I must say well played. You succesfully played around crop rotation this way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phelix View Post
    what looking for these games at ggslive website, but its down. any1 have link to the lands.dec top8 matches?
    The twitch.tv archive for scglive will have the entire coverage available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Water_Wizard View Post
    @ Bobby - What did you keep G2 of the Finals?
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    My hand was Tolaria West, Mox Diamond, Chalice, Dark Confidant, Life from the Loam, Crucible, and Exploration. If my top card was a mana producing land, I would have stood a chance, but I did not see a land until the 3rd draw, so I just did nto play anything, to try and hide any cards that might make him re-sideboard. It was very awkward, but ehhh, what ya gonna do..
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    Re: [Deck] 43 Lands

    Thanks for the response - I figured as such (that you kept a hand with Mox Diamond), but then I was wondering why you didn't play it, and I thought maybe you were afraid it would be blown up by Viridian Shaman, but it was to hide information.

    Well done. What are the odds? 42 lands : 53 cards = you think you could peel one.

    Any thoughts on playing the Exploration turn 1 so if you draw a land turn 2, you can Chalice for 1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneBigSquirrelGod View Post
    My hand was Tolaria West, Mox Diamond, Chalice, Dark Confidant, Life from the Loam, Crucible, and Exploration. If my top card was a mana producing land, I would have stood a chance, but I did not see a land until the 3rd draw, so I just did nto play anything, to try and hide any cards that might make him re-sideboard. It was very awkward, but ehhh, what ya gonna do..
    Congrats on your finish! Your list looks beautiful. I was playtesting raven's crime a lot previously, but couldn't manage a proper list. And here it is.

    Already tried it in my local meta. Went 4-0. Didn't loose a game. My matches were
    reanimator, merfolks, maverik x2

    I was surprised to find that the list runs 61 card, but I guess it's fine for lands.dec.

    Just gentle tweaks: I switched 1 cycling land to Cabal Pit. In sb I switched 2 trinisphere for a tormod's crypt and a krosan reclamanation. I have poor experience with the spheres. Also wanted to have some extra against Reanimator. Reclamanation also saves our loam from Surgical Extr.

    "+": The confidants performed outstanding
    "-": Only 2 Tar Pits to win with felt uncomfortable. Both of them were stp'ed in the first game against maverik and I thought my last chance was to win by decking my opp with Academy Ruins, but luckily he surrendered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by door View Post
    "-": Only 2 Tar Pits to win with felt uncomfortable. Both of them were stp'ed in the first game against maverik and I thought my last chance was to win by decking my opp with Academy Ruins, but luckily he surrendered.
    A way to mitigate this circumstance is to make sure you have a Wasteland or Ghost Quarter or Zuran Orb active to save your Tar-pit when it's targeted. You can always get it back...

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    Re: [Deck] 43 Lands

    Quote Originally Posted by Water_Wizard View Post
    What are the odds? 42 lands : 53 cards = you think you could peel one.
    There were 36 lands in the deck. Still unlikely to whiff, but statistically a lot more likely than 42 lands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by door View Post
    "-": Only 2 Tar Pits to win with felt uncomfortable. Both of them were stp'ed in the first game against maverik and I thought my last chance was to win by decking my opp with Academy Ruins, but luckily he surrendered.
    Most of everybody's lists run 1 I thought. I always ran 2, because of that problem. Like Otaku said, just have a way to eliminate the tar pit. Raven's crime makes playing around STP very easy late game. Also, don't tell anyone if you have no way to kill them. just make them surrender.. Look at the top 8 coverage, I did not physically attempt the Affinity player, the RUG player, or even Elves Game 1. People usually just give up. Also, sost of the time you don't want to activate the Creeping Tar Pit until you have Complete Lock.

    Quote Originally Posted by TraxDaMax View Post
    Comment on the final, first game. I was just as su rprised as Chapin to see Glacial Chasm to land that turn it did, instead of tabernacle. But after thinking about it, I must say well played. You succesfully played around crop rotation this way!
    It was a toss up. I have played against elves a lot (unfortunately). If I stick Tabernacle that turn, they pay for guys, draw, and then use the Quirion Ranger/Symbiote ability, untap their lands and creatures, and then proceed to kill you once they get the Gaea's Cradle. Elves has transformed into a deck that if you have enchantment control (like Solitary Confinement/Moat), they have no outs MB anymore. This is the same logic I use with Glacial Chasm. 14 lands, 2 Cradles, they have no room for a wasteland, or anything to bounce land, and they took out Qasali Pridemage for Shaman (since Cursed Totem shuts off everything they do).

    Also, playing against Maverick 3 times was terrible without the E-Tutor Package, and Cursed Totem. If you struggle against Maverick, this is what you do:

    Get Tabernacle
    Get Maze of Ith
    Get Crucible
    Kill them

    lol, not too much logic. I fought through 2 Scaveging Oozes from all 3 Opponents on game 1, then one of the guys had 3 Oozes MB (ouch), but you just have to play around things they can potentially do. Get an Intuition, and a Loam, and even if they T3-T4 Ooze, I would sacrifice Loam to accel more lands, just to get the advantage. Its rough. I lost my only match to an Aven Mindsensor+Scaveging Ooze.

    The deck is not perfect, but it is getting better. So If you drop a cycle land for a cabal pit, and remove 3Sphere for Crypt, and it pans out, post it and why. The Metagames are all different, and The sideboard flux's 5 Cards (1 Chalice, 2 Sphere, 1 Totem, and EE). I cant do Cabal Pit, just because of the Threshold thing, and I don't like circumstansial scenarios. Seems good though

    We'll I'm gonna go try and win an Imperial Seal with this deck. :)
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    Re: [Deck] 43 Lands

    Quote Originally Posted by OneBigSquirrelGod View Post
    Most of everybody's lists run 1 I thought. I always ran 2, because of that problem. Like Otaku said, just have a way to eliminate the tar pit. Raven's crime makes playing around STP very easy late game. Also, don't tell anyone if you have no way to kill them. just make them surrender.. Look at the top 8 coverage, I did not physically attempt the Affinity player, the RUG player, or even Elves Game 1. People usually just give up. Also, sost of the time you don't want to activate the Creeping Tar Pit until you have Complete Lock.
    Alright, that makes sence.

    Quote Originally Posted by OneBigSquirrelGod View Post
    The deck is not perfect, but it is getting better. So If you drop a cycle land for a cabal pit, and remove 3Sphere for Crypt, and it pans out, post it and why. The Metagames are all different, and The sideboard flux's 5 Cards (1 Chalice, 2 Sphere, 1 Totem, and EE). I cant do Cabal Pit, just because of the Threshold thing, and I don't like circumstansial scenarios. Seems good though
    Mostly that's a metagame choice. We have more aggro/burn here and less RUG/storm combo.
    In my experience cycling lands are better postboard for saving loam from surgicals. In my board krosan reclamanation compensates the loss of 1 thicket. Cabal Pit is the best removal in our deck in turms of cost and recycling ability against lots of small creatures, incl. delver. Reanimator is much more popular and dangerous nowadays than storm, that's why I prefer graveyard hate over trinispheres. Though, the spheres also work well against them, there's no enough space for everything. And the most important part in that match up is during the first 3 turns, when you either drop//search for chalice/crypt/bridge or loose.

    Also if it's not difficult, could you tell what you usually side out other than the raven's crimes?
    In my case I take out "silverbullit lands" if they are useless in the current m/u: Bojuka bog/Karakas, also Urborg if I take out the Crimes. Tabernacle/1-2Mazes against creature-light m/u. Then there's an interesting part. Most of the times I take out Manabonds, as I'm going to keep and cast more spells from my hand postboard and operate less with g/y thanks to opponents g/y hate.

    p.s.: just realised that I read oblivion stone instead of oblivion ring in your list The stone performed wonderful, though.
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    Re: [Deck] 43 Lands

    He has Oblivion Stone (as you see in one of the matches on camera) – Oblivion Ring is a mistake in the covered decklist.

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    Re: [Deck] 43 Lands

    Played the deck to a 3-0 swiss here the other day. Beat Enchantress (maindeck oblivion stone SO GOOD), Burn (lucky zuran orb :D) and Maverick (Cursed Totem is pretty good, but not always enough :D). I am thinking of going for the double tar pit plan soon, it seems a bit better than my random mishra's factory that doesn't get through.

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    It seems like Phelix is leading the standings at GP Gent after Round 12 with Lands. At least I assume it's him, how many Lands players named Felix can there be in Denmark

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    Sounds like Lands (with Worms Harvest? ) to me. From the coverage







    If he had won the last round, I would have top 8 :(
    But nice 16th place out of 1343 anyway !

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    Seem good days for lands!! Went 3-1 this weekend beating Merfolk, Elves and Reanimator; loosing to wishless belcher.

    This is the list:

    // Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

    // Lands
    1 [FUT] Horizon Canopy
    1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
    1 [TSP] Academy Ruins
    1 [LG] The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
    4 [MM] Rishadan Port
    1 [JU] Riftstone Portal
    1 [SOM] Forest (1)
    4 [AQ] Mishra's Factory (1)
    4 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
    4 [DK] Maze of Ith
    4 [TE] Wasteland
    3 [FUT] Tolaria West
    2 [R] Tropical Island
    1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog
    1 [LG] Karakas
    2 [DIS] Breeding Pool
    2 [ON] Tranquil Thicket
    1 [M10] Gargoyle Castle

    // Spells
    1 [IA] Zuran Orb
    4 [RAV] Life from the Loam
    4 [TE] Intuition
    4 [US] Exploration
    1 [EX] Manabond
    1 [FD] Engineered Explosives
    1 [MR] Mindslaver
    1 [SH] Ensnaring Bridge
    3 [SH] Mox Diamond
    1 [MR] Oblivion Stone
    1 [FD] Crucible of Worlds

    // Sideboard
    SB: 3 [DK] Tormod's Crypt
    SB: 3 [TSP] Krosan Grip
    SB: 3 [ZEN] Mindbreak Trap
    SB: 4 [MR] Chalice of the Void
    SB: 1 [MI] Cursed Totem
    SB: 1 [ISD] Witchbane Orb


    Some comments. I used to use just 2 fetchlands and going up to 4 was pretty good. Color screw as almost absent.
    The main disadvantage is that the deck wins very very slow (got double 1-0 in rounds 2 and 3). That is very heavy for the opo but for us two.
    I'm thinking on adding Worm Harvest to a faster victory.
    Oblivion stone was so good...smashed iona and thouhands of merfolks. Mover over it works under Gaddock Teeg unlike EE or N. Disk. The MVP of the day with no doubt.
    Crucible of Words was meh...i think that i have the slot for harvest there.

    On the side, loved Tormod's Crypt over Surgical. The combination with Bojuka and it recursiveness was very important against reanimator.

    On belcher match up i'd have loved run Crop Rotation for destroying all the 12 turn 1 tokens with Tnacle. I could do almost nothing in the MU. Use 8 hate cards but i didnt see anyone. After round played two additional games againt it winning just one where i got Mindbreak Trap and a Chalice @0.

    All in all the deck was pretty solid all day but i missed a 2nd manabond when exploration was discarded or countered.

    Any comment???

    THx!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Anen View Post
    Sounds like Lands (with Worms Harvest? ) to me. !
    Yeah and Sylvan Library¿?¿?

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    Hi Guys

    Yeah, it was me playing lands (again).

    I may well make a report soon, but only got back from belgium 2 hours ago.
    8-0-1 Day one. Finished 12-2-2. Needed 1 win or 2 draws during last two rounds. Failed with Draw, loss. (punted final match like tool) Finished 16th of 1345.

    List:
    Instant [3]
    3 Intuition

    Sorcery [5]
    4 Life from the Loam
    1 Worm Harvest

    Artifact [10]
    1 Crucible of Worlds
    1 Engineered Explosives
    1 Ensnaring Bridge
    4 Mox Diamond
    1 Oblivion Stone
    1 Smokestack
    1 Zuran Orb

    Enchantment [6]
    4 Exploration
    1 Manabond
    1 Sylvan Library

    Land [37]
    1 Academy Ruins
    1 Bayou
    1 Bojuka Bog
    1 Celestial Colonnade
    1 Creeping Tar Pit
    1 Forest
    1 Ghost Quarter
    1 Glacial Chasm
    1 Horizon Canopy
    1 Karakas
    4 Maze of Ith
    2 Mishra's Factory
    1 Riftstone Portal
    4 Rishadan Port
    1 Savannah
    1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
    2 Tolaria West
    2 Tranquil Thicket
    3 Tropical Island
    1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
    1 Verdant Catacombs
    4 Wasteland
    1 Windswept Heath

    Sideboard:
    4 Dark Confidant
    2 Gilded Drake
    1 Raven's Crime
    4 Chalice of the Void
    1 Cursed Totem
    1 Engineered Explosives
    1 Ensnaring Bridge
    1 Tormod's Crypt


    When my brain starts working again, ill totally write something more sensible.

    NB: Had many cool comments about deck, cards while playing. Also: Many players had to read my cards, even late in day two :)
    Last edited by Phelix; 07-24-2012 at 02:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phelix View Post
    Hi Guys


    When my brain starts working again, ill totally write something more sensible.
    can not wait!

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    You actually make me consider picking the deck up again. Great finish! Congratulations, you have me a crapload of goosebumps when my friends told me there was a Lands.dec in Top8 competition.
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    1. Discuss the unbanning of Land Tax Earthcraft.
    2. Argue that banning Force of Will would make the format healthier.
    3. Play Brainstorm without Fetchlands.
    4. Stifle Standstill.
    5. Think that Gaea's Blessing will make you Solidarity-proof.
    6. Pass priority after playing Infernal Tutor.
    7. Fail to playtest against Nourishing Lich (coZ iT wIlL gEt U!).

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    Re: [Deck] 43 Lands

    How much does the average Lands deck cost to build? It looks so fun to play...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    How much does the average Lands deck cost to build? It looks so fun to play...
    from total scratch? A lot.

    A few duals
    Karakas
    Tabernacle
    Rishadan Port
    Wasteland
    Mox Diamond
    Maze of Ith
    Exploration

    etc etc. Run a quick price check on tcgplayer or something - I wouldn't be surprised to find it pushing 1500 from scratch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megadeus View Post
    How much does the average Lands deck cost to build? It looks so fun to play...
    Lands cost approximately the same than a "typical" legacy deck. The problem is that it uses expensive cards that are only in this decks, Tabernacle, Maze, Exploration, Rishadan and Mox, to name a few..
    http://www.mtgpulse.com/event/9421#128904
    Stoneblade 1700$, Show and Tell 1500$, Countertop 1400$, Maverick 1100$, Landstill 1300$, Junk 1200$, RUG 1500$, Bant 1500$, Lands 1600$

    Quote Originally Posted by Phelix
    Also: Many players had to read my cards, even late in day two :)
    My Lands deck is 2/3 japanese (missing loam and waste, and ports are german) and I can't count the number of time people asked to see an oracle text. I understand your feeling ^^

    Waiting for the report !

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