Would you actually post in a Vintage subforum?

[Icapica]

Yes. I've actually gone out of my way to fully print and sleeve a meta (RUG Delver, Landstill, Espresso Stax, Martello Stax, UBr - UBg Time Vault Control, Drain Tendrils, Show and Oath, G/W etc) I hand these lists out to people who are typically on the fence about delving into the format. 90% of the time they play the list for a few weeks and either come back with something they have read up on and tuned themselves or start acquiring actual cards for the list I shipped them.

This got me interested, as I'd love to get to play Vintage. Could someone show me typical lists that are usually found in a meta? I could try to print and sleeve at least some and then perhaps more if I find some people willing to play. Also is there any place where I can actually read some good info on the state of the format? I've tried browsing TheManaDrain sometimes but it's hard to find anything useful or up to date there.

[xfxf]

Yes I think a kind of a general primer about the format with sample decklists would be a great resource for those of us trying to get initiated in the format. We all know the pillars but there are major archetypes within pillars whic are different then each other. From what I can tell there are a lot of gray areas as well especially in the mana drain pillar but I'm sure still a skeleton can be composed as a general introduction.

[B.C.]

Not exactly a format primer, but it has all the decklists you could ever want:

http://www.morphling.de/

[xfxf]

Yes I know about morphling.de, there are also tons of decks in thecouncil.es, mtgdecks.net but I was thinking from a Vintage forum point of view, not just decklists but matchup analysis, variations, general strategies etc.

[socialite]

This got me interested, as I'd love to get to play Vintage. Could someone show me typical lists that are usually found in a meta? I could try to print and sleeve at least some and then perhaps more if I find some people willing to play. Also is there any place where I can actually read some good info on the state of the format? I've tried browsing TheManaDrain sometimes but it's hard to find anything useful or up to date there.

I've posted it a bunch of times and I'll say it again, the best place for up to date lists from around the world is Morphling.

If you want primers you will need to go digging through TMD or old SCG articles. If a Vintage subforum is opened here I'd be willing to consolidate the relevant ones.

This could be a decent start for what you want though (most of it is pretty dated but it's an excellent resource from a historical standpoint).

[Koby]

I would be willing to write up some (simple) primers on one or two of the pillars to get things started here on The Source. It wouldn't be comprehensive, since I probably don't have enough facetime with the deck to really explain the finer points of each angle, but it should get things started.

So... when do we open up the subforum (Nihil Credo / Bardo / Di)?

[socialite]

I would be willing to write up some (simple) primers on one or two of the pillars to get things started here on The Source. It wouldn't be comprehensive, since I probably don't have enough facetime with the deck to really explain the finer points of each angle, but it should get things started.

So... when do we open up the subforum (Nihil Credo / Bardo / Di)?

It's easier and far more beneficial to new players to link comprehensive articles even if a few of the card choices are supplanted by newer cards i.e. Snapcaster -> Regrowth.

One of the biggest TMD failures was the overzealous use of absolute statements. Posters would fire off suggestions that lacked sufficient reasoning and well articulated play testing examples. I’m already starting to see a bunch of ideas in this thread that walk that line. An archetype spread written by someone lacking experience will not be that helpful. There are plenty of well written primers by past TMD greats/SCG writers like Matt Elias and Steven Menendian that still contain relevant information.

We should probably just copy over the Vintage encyclopedia I linked above since that contains primers and deck lists starting from 1000 BC on in an easy to read format.

[B.C.]

New primers and matchup analyses will come when people find the time to write them, but NOT until the Vintage threads are open. So...

[Nihil Credo]

Up.

Post any feedback about the forum structure here.

[lordofthepit]

Up.

Post any feedback about the forum structure here.

Awesome! Time to catch up myself up on 8 years of Vintage development.

[dahcmai]

I wouldn't post in it or read it, but I don't see a reason for why it shouldn't exist. The Mana Drain is pretty much dead and I don't know of any others that are really worth reading. Morphling isn't bad, but a little obscure. I'd have to say just open it up and see how it goes.

To those of us like myself who either quit vintage a while back or plain never got into it in the first place, it's no skin off our backs obviously. It's not like we're forced to read it or something. I'll just skip over it and if I ever decide to get back into that format, it's nice to know it's there.