I try to pimp my Wood Elves. What is better, 9thRussian signed, 8th jap. foil or 7th ger/eng foil? :DD
7th foil, always. It's the beta of foilOriginally Posted by Alexeezay
Rule of the pimp:
beta is the beta of beta
portal 3 kingdoms and edgar = the beta of whiteborders
7th is the beta of foils
Totally 7th German foil, at least from my perspective. I'm trying to get each of the three versions I have built pimped in a different language....red's language is of course German, because it sounds angry =D
Christopher Moeller's signature is awesome, though -- my foil Deeds are all signed by him. They look shweet.
Complete German Nic Fit is most pimp
(Pics are old and show an outdated version, last pic are additional cards I had at the time to modify the deck)
I think the answer to UW Miracles is clearly to throw in some copies of Terminus and have them floating on the top of our deck (via Sensei's Top) and counter their miracle with our own miracle ;)
I kept Liliana in because, well, she's Liliana. I even played 4 copies at one point and I'd go as far as making her a part of the core of Nic Fit because Deeds + Planeswalkers are just too good. Wipe the board and put both players in top-deck mode. Now if I have a Lily or a Top on board, I am heavily favored to win.
Vapors is supposed to be Damnation, I just traded them away for some reason. It gives me another SB option against Sligh however.
While tinkering with the blue splash for a couple of weeks, I was pressed with deck space and had to review the "core" of the deck. Here is what I concluded as a template for my lists:
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Eternal Witness
1 Phyrexian Tower
So far, no contest there, this seems to be the consensus. However, I happen to believe that the following are also part of the core while others appear to disagree:
4 Green Sun's Zenith,
The most versatile card in this deck, period. There is no excuse for running less than 4 since it counts as our Explorer #5-8, a Witness Tutor, and a lategame threat. A Nic Fit deck that doesn't support a good GSZ package is not a good one in my book. I tested multiple iterations with less than 4 and the deck began to fall appart.
4 Pernicious Deed,
The #1 reason why Nic Fit was ever a DTB. The fact that we can Deed at will with literally no drawback is why we can hose every board-dependant deck in the format. You want it in every MU except Combo (but thats everybody's concern). If you have room for Pulse, then you have room for the 4th Deed.
1 Scavenging Ooze,
Never leave home without it. It may not have the best synergy with the rest of the deck but it will single-handedly deal with any GY dependant decks. Ooze also gives you an out against opposing GY recursion. A very important source of life gain against red decks as well. Overall, a Legacy predator...
That's about it for the core. There are other cards that I heavily favor such as Liliana, Innocent Blood, and Volrath's Stronghold for instance but building a viable Nic Fit deck without them is possible.
EDIT: Oh yeah, everybody seems to have a pimped out Nic Fit deck. Mine is only half foil (cheaper cards) but I do have the most beautiful collection of altered duals on the planet.
Do you know what assuming does? It makes an ass out of you and me.
Get it...? Ass, u, me?
... ffs I was trying to be funny...
Ooh, you should post them [the duals] in the pimp thread. I'd like to see =D
I'm considering bumping up to 4 GSZ in the Rector list, actually. That slot is currently a Diabolic Intent, just because I like having ways to get Baneslayer and Rector (or anything else), but that's marginal benefit compared to the overall strength of Green Sun. Very much on the fence about that still.
I think I agree as far as Deed goes, with the exception of the Rector build. The Rector build can run Moat, which sort of takes the place of the 4th Deed IMO. The Deed can sometimes be stronger, but so can the Moat (ie, Progenitus, most of MUD, etc).
I still don't like Ooze. I'm not going to reiterate my reasoning, I've been over it enough times already. I'm fine with agreeing to disagree.
@Arianrhod -- TUSK!!!
The Hymns were great all day. Did a lot of testing recently with them. Two was a good number. They were very good in getting the last couple cards in the midgame and are obviously insane when you have it in the opener with Explorer/Therapy. I didn't want to see any in the late game though. Two was relevant. Although I obviously would only play them in the straight G/B version. I think it's the best card in Legacy nobody is playing right now.
I don't think Wickerbough is worth a sideboard slot. He does get boarded out a bit, but it's matchup dependant. Something different usually comes in. But I definitely want access to him via GSZ for some matchups. He's not a totally dead draw even in game one if I don't want him, as he's still a body.
The one of Lily was just fine. I like her ability to lock out games against certain decks, but I don't want multiples since this deck isn't built specifically to abuse her. She's super solid though. I think one is a good number.
Availibility wasn't an issue at all. (Ok I guess I don't have a Moat) I just chose this version because I feel it is solid against a wide open field and I know how to pilot it proficiently. I wanted a more rock-solid mana base. The tri-colored versions, while still powerful, are more likely to randomly lose some games due to mana screw via Wasteland or just drawing the wrong basics. There is no such problem in this deck. Also, I wanted access to Treetops and Big Papa Garruk because I expected Stoneblade and Miracles decks to be popular.
xDavisx was playing Jund Nic Fit with a couple Bolts, Terminates, Huntmasters and a Broodmate
I don't usually have to many problems with Stoneblade with this build. Garruk, Thrun, and Treetops are insane in those matchups. Against the first player, he nut drew me game 1. Had all the answers and I was on a rough mull to 5 in game 2. So a little bit of bad luck/variance there. I'm very confident against the Esperblade pilot, that if given time to finish our match, I would have won.
However, if one really wants to crush Stoneblade, I really recommend P-fire Nic Fit.
Hope that answers your questions!!
Played Jund Punishing Nic Fit tonight. Went 2-0-2 in the Swiss due to a draw with my buddy playing Maverick, and an ID in the fourth round to make top 8. It played well, but a bit awkward at times... May have to rework my mana base a bit.
Round 1: RUG Delver
Game 1 I smash him under constant removal spells until my grave Titan type bomb stuff takes over. Game 2 he has double Delver on turn 2 and rides them to victory. Game 3 I disrupt, kill, and then beat him with a huntmaster.
2-1 1-0
Game 2: UW Jotun Grunt Ninjitsu stuff?
Both games 1 and 2 I stop his few creatures despite his orim chants keeping me off of early spells, then beat him with huntmaster both games.
2-0 2-0
Game 3: Maverick
Game 1 he stocks up the field and I deed it all away, then he just gets better top decks than me. The key I think is he killed me sensei's top when I tried to hide it after a deed. Game 2 he gets jitte online early, but he doesn't have enough pressure and I deed his board away while I keep up Broodmate beats. Also Punishing Fire combo kills everything. Game 3 we end up going to time, but it was right after I deed the board then play Garruk Primal Hunter. I'm not going to say I would've won, but I had much better presence.
1-1-1 2-0-1
Game 4: ID into top 8
2-0-2
Top 8: RUG Delver
A different player from earlier.
Game 1 he has a stifle for my first fetch, wasteland for my grove, then when I am discarding I discard cabal therapy, but then he has a stifle for my explorer trigger as well. Eventually he draws threats, I never draw a land again even though I have 2 therapies in grave, and an explorer in hand. Game 2 I get an early scavenging ooze against his goyf, but he submerges then forces ooze later. Eventually I punishing fire him low, then kill him with huntmaster and the wolf token then punishing fire him for exactsies. Game 3 is a bit disappointing. I hit blind and with the flashback on therapy, but never can draw a spell to stop his goyf and goose...
It was a good night all in all. Disappointedthat I lost to such a good match up in top 8 though. Could've bought a damnation with that credit!! Again, I had some awkward hands where I had red and green mana but no black mana... Need to rework the mana base to fix that. Also I dropped wickerbough elder for a Thragtusk and Thragtusk was awesome the couple of times I played it. One time I did wish I had wickerbough though as a GSZ target. Might drop Primal Hunter for it. Huntmaster did not disappoint. Also I ran a Consume the Meek as a replacement for Damnation and the only time I drew t it was sweet.
-Still learning to play this version of the deck. Most of my experience was just with g/b or g/b/w.
-Yeah, more carpets/extirpate would be good. Perish doesn't seem as good when you can't tutor for it. Memoricide seems good against combo at times...but too slow? Probably don't need finks with tusk/angel/kokopuffs. Miser thoughtseize can probably get cut. Wheel seems against loam/dredge.
-Call seemed pretty good. Instant speed and not having to sac anything was awesome. A One of seems fine with the tops.
-Never got around to getting one. Seems pretty good. Maybe instead of the 2nd angel?
-Yeah, I wasn't too impressed with him. Ramping doesn't seem to be a problem. I'll probably go back to thrun.
-Vendetta, anyone? Swords still seems. Better. Consuming vapors doesn't seem bad against merfolk, however.
-Eh, some painter here but more storm then that. Probably another tower instead the village.
-I'm starting to think I want Gaea's revenge.
-We have a big legacy at a local store on Saturday. My last big tune up before StarCity Mpls. So...garruk primal or relentless?
I've played with both (though less with primal) but I have liked primal hunter a bit more for the most part. I generally side both out a decent amount of the time, but Primal Hunters Tokens are a much better clock and drawing three or 4 or sometimes even like 6 is Soooooo good. If your mana base can support GGG I'd say he is generally better.
@Arianrhod
I posted my altered duals collection in the pimp forum like you asked me.
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...d=1#post665847
Do you know what assuming does? It makes an ass out of you and me.
Get it...? Ass, u, me?
... ffs I was trying to be funny...
Those are gorgeous, Qweerios. I don't think I've ever seen an alter by Poxy that I didn't like, he does great stuff.
Honestly, I don't like either Garruk in the Rector version. Relentless had his day, but now that I understand the deck better, I don't like him anymore. Primal Hunter is fine in G/B (or basically G/B with a very slight splash ie Qweerios BUG), but I wouldn't run him in a true tricolor deck.
Don't forget that usually, when you board in Memoricide, you're also boarding in Carpet of Flowers, which does a really good job of speeding it up a bit. Also, it's meant to be played alongside the Extirpates. The Extirpates and your normal discard do a good job of slowing down your combo opponent, then Memoricide comes in acting as the "bomb," and takes away the cards they actually need to win the game. IE vs High Tide, your usual discard happens, they do some cantrips to sculpt their hand, you Extirpate their cantrips, which slows them down a fair chunk. Then you drop Memoricide, name Time Spiral/Cunning Wish/High Tide (in that order imo), and you win on the spot. They are a little slow, but when paired with other, faster, hate they become absolute killers. They're also useful in the slow grindy control matchups, like Miracles, Deadguy, etc. I've killed my local Deadguy player at least twice by recurring Cranial enough times to literally take every win condition out of his deck.
If you're thinking of putting Thrun in, I'd put Sigarda in that slot. They're basically the same card, except Sigarda is bigger, stops Eldrazi, and has wings.
RE Thrun and Gaea's Revenge - I guess you don't have a Moat, so you don't need to copy my list as closely with the fliers. I've always dismissed both of those cards in the Rector version because of Moat, but if you don't have the access, it's less important.
@Megadeus -- glad things are starting to come along for you =)
Agree with everything except for Phyrexian Tower. Our group tested P. Tower for months and cut it. I think P. Tower opens you up to wasteland which makes the deck less resilient. Also, no way to fetch it.
This is core yes.4 Green Sun's Zenith,
I only play 3 Deeds. 4 is overkill in my opinion. You have Eternal Witness to recur it, and 4 GSZ to get Witness.4 Pernicious Deed,
The #1 reason why Nic Fit was ever a DTB. The fact that we can Deed at will with literally no drawback is why we can hose every board-dependant deck in the format. You want it in every MU except Combo (but thats everybody's concern). If you have room for Pulse, then you have room for the 4th Deed.
Agree1 Scavenging Ooze,
Never leave home without it. It may not have the best synergy with the rest of the deck but it will single-handedly deal with any GY dependant decks. Ooze also gives you an out against opposing GY recursion. A very important source of life gain against red decks as well. Overall, a Legacy predator...
I'll post a photo of my build later when I release the list our group is playing with.EDIT: Oh yeah, everybody seems to have a pimped out Nic Fit deck. Mine is only half foil (cheaper cards) but I do have the most beautiful collection of altered duals on the planet.
@Qweerios That looks stunning!
@Arianrhod I have a split between surgical extraction and Extirpate bacause I am still not sure which one is better. Split Second is good , but for a pay 2 life spell you do not need any extra mana. I am aware that we run lots of mana. But you can never have enough.
Garruk Primal Hunter has been good for me while testing. I play the rector list without Kokushu but with Sigarda. Would primeval titan or Grave titan be better? I do not play Fierce empath.
This weekend will be my first tournament with a Nic Fit deck. So I will let you all know how things went for me.
If you're running Recurring Nightmare, I'd say run Grave Titan. If you're not on the Nightmare plan, then you want Primeval Titan -> Two Towers (Stronghold and Phy Tower) to simulate Nightmare. I prefer Nightmare, Qweerios prefers the lands. Up to you which option you choose -- they're both pretty solid, and they both accomplish the same basic thing. TTT lets you skip your draw step, which can be useful vs Jace, Painter, etc. Nightmare can be used as many times in a turn as you have mana, which makes it a good sink lategame. IMO if you're on Rector, you should be on Nightmare, thus Grave Titan. I try to avoid slamming people for experimenting, though, as long as it's within certain parameters. If someone decides to try Panglacial Wurm because we have a lot of mana and we search our deck a lot, I'm going to come down on that so hard, lol. But if you want to try TTT in Rector, go nuts. I don't think it's better, but it's up to you if you want to experiment or go with what's tried and true.
As for Extirpate and Surgical, I used to run triple Surgical a few months ago. But with the rise of Sneak/Show, Extirpate is just straight up better. Vs Sneak, your gameplan is to prison them out. You focus on making it so that they can't win the game, rather than trying to win the game yourself. To that end, extracting (Cranial or Surgical, and their respective counterparts) their creatures (or enablers) is the primary course of action. Sneak likes to run a lot of counters, but they also run Misdirection. You don't really want to Surgical their Scalding Tarns. You want their Emrakuls, dammit. Surgical is better against decks that don't have interaction, because it's free. But the games where you actually want that effect are going to be combo decks, and in legacy, combo decks almost -always- have interaction (Belcher is an obvious exception). Combo in legacy has to protect itself because of the wide range of options within the established card pool that can dick them over. With that in mind, I think that Extirpate is head and shoulders above Surgical. Sure, Surgical is better vs like Maverick for example....but if you're boarding in Surgical against Maverick, you deserve to lose anyway.
My next sideboard will run 1 panglacial, mark my words :D
I like Grave Titan over Prime Time, but that's just because he stabilizes so hard. And he is so difficult to get rid of. I've also found that the death touch is actually surprisingly relevant especially since it always trades with a huge knight or goyf
I may play the Wurm as a one of for the lulz next wednesday
This highlights one of the debates I have am constantly mulling. I'm running a Rector build which I think dictates running Nightmare. Running Nightmare means running Kokopuffs. But Nightmare is also great with Grave Titan. And being in white for Rector makes Sun Titan practically required.
So that means two 6-drops w/ double B and one 6-drop w/ double W. AND you have to be pretty heavy in green to hit the early Explorer.
Grave Titan is always the one I want to cut, but I never can bring myself to do it because the tokens and deathtouch are too good.
FWIW, I also run 2x Phyrexian Tower and 1x Volrath's Stronghold. That Stronghold has saved my bacon a couple times. (That probably has more to do w/ not using a Therapy to see if the coast is clear to cast Nightmare than anything else though.)
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