[Deck] Nic Fit (GBx Explorer Zenith Control)

[bruizar]

what about diabolic intent in the rector build ? sacrifice the rector to get omniscience in play and get wharver bomb you want with the diabolic intent and cast it for free. It doesn't cost a lot of cards for the rector builds and diabolic intent can be use with veteran explorer as well, so it's not a dead card if you don't have rector in play.

Maybe it's been talked before but i haven't seen it.

I suggested it a few pages back with living wish into Emrakul, the way Omniscience combo works. I really think you need Brainstorm in a deck like that though.

[Qweerios]

I've got back from a 6 round event (3 rounds standard and 3 rounds legacy) with BUG Gifts. It was the first time I played a heavy blue Nic Fit list, and to be honest, it was phenomenal. I lost most of my standard matches with my mono black budget control deck and eventually had to drop from the main event after my first legacy round (standard took place before legacy) to play in the side events. I won a box of M13 that I pawned for store credits.

Concerning the main event, taking out Thrun and Wasteland was a grave mistake. My first two rounds of Legacy were against Stoneblade and I lost to Riptide Laboratory, Karakas/Clique, and Academy Ruins/Batterskull/SoFaF. Thragtusk and Clique couldn't successfully replace Thrun and his resilience to control decks. I learned my lesson and reincluded them to my deck and proceeded to crush the Legacy side events. To my biggest surprise, the lack of Liliana and Innocent Blood did not prevent me from completely annihilating RUG. Also, Jace, Brainstorm, and Clique gave me an incredible edge against Miracle and Stoneblade. The transformational sideboard worked extremely well when it came to miracle control (-4 Explorer/Therapy, +4 Negate/Thoughtseize). Sadly, Hornet Queen was an absolute piece of trash in every situation.

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On to a different topic, a really interresting idea emerged from a session of schizophrenic brainstorming at the hotel. In an attempt to improve Stoneblade, me and my friend created a variant that we named Godoblade. Of course the idea was originaly meant as a joke, but as I thought more about Godo, Bandit Warlord, it struck me that this card might have potential in Jund Fit as a legitimate bomb. Fetching a Batterskull with Godo is much better than landing a Grave Titan or a Broodmate Dragon. Godo grants you Bskull which acts as a recurring and nearly irremovable threat and he can swing for 14 lifelink vigilance damage on the following turn.

Now, I don't think that Jund Fit is the best color out there for the deck, but it is definitely out there. I believe Huntmasters, Burning Wish, and Red Blasts have a lot to offer (especially the blasts) to Nic Fit and Godo might just tip the scales because he seems to janky, and thats a plus. I am not yet sold on Scapeshift because of the extremely shaky manabase but as an Aggro/Control deck, Jund Fit has its strengths.

Without any further ado, I present to you the very experimental:

Godoblade (lol)


Creatures (12)
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Scavenging Ooze
2 Eternal Witness
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Thragtusk
1 Godo, Bandit Warlord

Spells (26)
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Burning Wish
2 Maelstrom Pulse

4 Pernicious Deed

3 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull

2 Liliana of the Veil
1 Garruk, Primal Hunter

Lands (22)
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wooded Foothills
3 Bayou
1 Taiga
1 Badlands
3 Forest
3 Swamp
1 Mountain

Sideboard (15)
4 Red Elemental Blast
4 Thoughtseize
1 Reanimate
1 Damnation
1 Cranial Extraction
1 Haunting Echoes
1 Flashfire
1 Tsunami
1 Maelstrom Pulse

[Viridia]

@Bruizar @Omniscience I actually tinkered around with a list that i'll play as soon as i get the cards for it (or a list that looks like it):

Mainboard (60)

22 Lands
2 Bayou
1 Flooded Strand
2 Forest
2 Island
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Phyrexian Tower
1 Plains
1 Polluted Delta
1 Savannah
2 Swamp
1 Tropical Island
1 Tundra
1 Underground Sea
2 Verdant Catacombs
1 Windswept Heath

15 Creatures
2 Academy Rector
4 Baleful Strix
1 Consecrated Sphinx
3 Eternal Witness
1 Thragtusk
4 Veteran Explorer


21 Other spells
4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Future Sight
2 Living Wish
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Omniscience
4 Pernicious Deed
1 Recurring Nightmare
2 Sensei's Divining Top

2 Planeswalkers
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

Sideboard (15)

1 Academy Rector
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Qasali Pridemage
4 Force of Will
1 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Memoricide
3 Surgical Extraction
2 Thoughtseize


I does have a very clunky 4 Color-Manabase but i believe that it;s possible to play with it, as soon as i get the missing cards i'll sleeve it and test it :)

[Kung Fu English]

@Bruizar @Omniscience I actually tinkered around with a list that i'll play as soon as i get the cards for it (or a list that looks like it):

Mainboard (60)

22 Lands
2 Bayou
1 Flooded Strand
2 Forest
2 Island
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Phyrexian Tower
1 Plains
1 Polluted Delta
1 Savannah
2 Swamp
1 Tropical Island
1 Tundra
1 Underground Sea
2 Verdant Catacombs
1 Windswept Heath

15 Creatures
2 Academy Rector
4 Baleful Strix
1 Consecrated Sphinx
3 Eternal Witness
1 Thragtusk
4 Veteran Explorer


21 Other spells
4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Future Sight
2 Living Wish
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Omniscience
4 Pernicious Deed
1 Recurring Nightmare
2 Sensei's Divining Top

2 Planeswalkers
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor

Sideboard (15)

1 Academy Rector
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Qasali Pridemage
4 Force of Will
1 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Memoricide
3 Surgical Extraction
2 Thoughtseize


I does have a very clunky 4 Color-Manabase but i believe that it;s possible to play with it, as soon as i get the missing cards i'll sleeve it and test it :)

I like it. A lot actually. But I think if you want to be going this plan then you should be in more. Go for the full 3 Rectors/1 SB and 4 living wishes. Prob -2 Top and -1 Recurring Nightmare for this IMO, you have enough brainstorm effects without top and nightmare is probably not what you need to be doing with omni available. Or you could -1 Deed from MD instead.

And SB needs some number of Karakas/Maze of Ith as wish targets so you can totally take a dump on sneak and show :P

[bruizar]

For reference, here is a Show and Tell deck utilizing some familiar cards from nic fit.

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazin...aily/deck/1050

Michael Svien's Show and Know
Legacy – Top 8, StarCityGames Open, Denver


Main Deck
60 cards

3 Cavern of Souls
3 Island
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Polluted Delta
1 Swamp
1 Tropical Island
1 Tundra
2 Underground Sea
1 Verdant Catacombs
20 lands

3 Academy Rector
3 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
3 Griselbrand
9 creatures

4 Brainstorm
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Force of Will
3 Gitaxian Probe
4 Living Wish
3 Lotus Petal
2 Omniscience
4 Ponder
4 Show and Tell
31 other spells


Sideboard
1 Academy Rector
1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Force of Will
2 Nature's Claim
2 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Phyrexian Tower
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
1 Viridian Shaman
15 sideboard cards

[litenkatt]

I played few games as a straight GB version. I just don't like it. Missing swords, sigarda and sun titan is just.. not good. GB version is auto lose game 1 against reanimate, whereas if you go white splash you have swords at least (reanimater seems to be the most popular deck in my meta)

White splash also has a better sideboard against combo decks. (Ethersworn canonist, e.tutor).

I have two questions

1. Recurring nightmare. Is this card good enough ? I mean with thragtusk and eternal witness that card is sickness, but I'm not sure. What's your thoughts on this card?

2. Thinking of going with 61 cards. Is this viable? Has anyone tried this?

[HoneyT]

@litenkatt

Re: G/B

It certainly isn't an auto loss game one vs reanimator. You just have to get familiar with the matchup. Between Lilanas, Innocent Bloods, being smart with Therapies, and prioritizing getting Scavenging Ooze online, you have plenty of tools at your disposal. And game two gets better from there with extra discard and Extirpates.

I'm not saying white isn't better for that matchup, just that it is far from an auto loss game 1.

Re: Recurring Nightmare

It's a phenomenal card when you get it online and can go nuts with it. That said, most versions can't do that with any kind of consistency. Because of that, I wouldn't play it outside the Rector version right now.

Re: 61 cards

It's certainly viable. I know Arianrhod has been advocating 61 for quite some time now and has been having plenty of success. I'll let him elaborate there.

@Qweerios

Re: Godoblade

Will you marry me?

[Arianrhod]

Watching the stream on SCG right now, all I can think is just how terrible straight Jund (no PFire, no Scapeshift) Nic Fit is.

[_Fe_]

I don't think that deck can be considered Nic Fit, he's only running a single Explorer.

[Arianrhod]

Wasn't aware of that -- guess they must have said it at the start of the round, which I missed. Even still, it's close enough to Nic Fit to justify watching...and this is just painful to watch on so many levels.

Also, I want to strangle Jacob Van Lunen. Seriously, there's a reason I hate the SCG stream =.=;;

[litenkatt]

Did anyone watch when the BUG(caleb i think it was?)nic fit player played against merfolk? It was a sweet victory and I really hope he makes it to the top8

[bruizar]

@Qweerios: Please check out the MUD thread to see the discussion on Godo, Bandit Warlord / Batterskull. I've been having some success with Godo for a while now and I can tell you he's nuts. Not sure how he is in nic-fit, but godo has been amazing for me for the last 8 months.

I have been testing Godo for the last 8 months and I know that he's the single best creature that MUD can run. In my current build, I now run 0 Wurmcoil Engines, because the card simply sucks. If you want to win with MUD you need to proof of Swords to Plowshares and counterspells. Godo does insane damage, no really.. Turn 1 Grim Monolith into turn 2 Godo is a beating that not many decks can handle. Godo totally trumps control as double plowshares or Terminus is actually bad against Godo. He's also a rockstar against Jace and outmuscles opposing Stoneforge Mystics.

Please explain. How does Godo evade StP without SoLS or SoWP? CoS can make Godo uncounterable, but CoS can make any of our threats uncounterable. And I do not see how Godo trumps Terminus.

If your opponent plows your Godo, you still have the Skull + Germ token which he fetched. If he plows the Germ too, he has used 2 StP and you can still bounce and replay Skull. Same with Terminus, leaves you still with Skull in play.

The rationale behind Godo is that everything in MUD should be resistant to Swords to Plowshares (and Jace). On that note, Wurmcoil got cut from the list. Other cards that didn't quiet make the cut for me that do this are Etched Champion and Duplicant. The biggest play this deck has is Chalice of the Void for 1. Karn Liberated is the most expensive threat I run, and it is also resistant to Swords to Plowshares. Even though MUD has the mana to cast insanely powerful and expensive threats, doesn't mean you are untouchable against tempo plays such as Swords to Plowshares, Spell Pierce or Force of Will. This is the reason why Cavern of Souls and Chalice of the Void play such a big role in the deck. They help you resolve and protect your insanely powerful plays.

Metalworker: Relying too much on Metalworker is not so smart, because it increases the importance of Swords to Plowshares in your match-ups. This is the reason why I run other acceleration as well. Again, to lower the impact of Swords to Plowshares (and Lightning Bolt). Instead, the focus is on a lower curve. Having castable threats with minimal mana acceleration support helps decrease the value of Spell Pierce, which will surely pick on your Grim Monolith's and Dynamo's.

Blightsteel Colossus: is really bad. It is a dead draw without an insane Metalworker hand or without an active Kuldotha Forgemaster.

Scenario 1: Metalworker with Blightsteel Colossus: If you have a hand full of artifacts, do you really care about spending 12 mana for a Blightsteel Colossus? You probably win the game just by throwing your hand on the table anyway.

Scenario 2: Kuldotha Forgemaster with Blightsteel Colossus: This deck already has major problems fighting RUG. Do you really want to expose yourself to the omnipresent stifle and swords to plowshares like this (meta=Maverick/RUG/Blade/Miracle)? Even if you can do your trick without getting Swords to Plowshares or Stifled, Kuldotha Forgemaster costs 5 mana and metalcraft. Forgemaster has summoning sickness, and Blightsteel Colossus has summoning Sickness too. That means that your BSC will be able to attack 2 turns after you resolve your Kuldotha Forgemaster. Moltensteel Dragon costs 4 mana, and usually finishes the game in 1 or 2 hits, which is quicker, or at worst on-par with BSC (BSC getting blocked sux). It is easier to cast than Kuldotha Forgemaster, doesn't expose you to stifle, and doesnt lead to dead draws with Blightsteel Colossus. It also provides a blocker against Delver. Moltensteel Dragon is a better version of Blightsteel Colossus, and Kuldotha Forgemaster is just, really really bad, especially post-board when you can expect things like Ancient Grudge against you.

Qweerios: I don't understand why you would run Umezawa's Jitte over Sword of X/Y though. Godo will die on the first attack if you don't protect him with a sword, making the Jitte, just really bad.

[Arianrhod]

Looks like someone running my ScapeWish version made top 8 at SCG...hopefully it's someone from on here so we can get a good report =)

[jbone2016]

Looks like someone running my ScapeWish version made top 8 at SCG...hopefully it's someone from on here so we can get a good report =)

Including me, I know of at least 5 ppl playing nic fit. 2 (including me) playing rector fit. A local guy plaiying pod version. Caleb playing BUG version and the scapewish....which lost to goblins in top 8

[Arianrhod]

I saw that Caleb got 24th -- how did the rest of you do?

[jbone2016]

I saw that Caleb got 24th -- how did the rest of you do?

Blake (pod) finished 36th. Me (rector) 89th (I started 3-0-1) :(. the other rector...not sure (I believe he is on this thread).

Even after 9 rounds, I'm itching to play more.

I actually lost to the mono-blue tempo deck (which is in top 8) in round 6.

[Star|Scream]

Just played against RUG delver and they sided in Winter Orb. Seriously? ffffuuuuu

[slikwilly]

Blake (pod) finished 36th. Me (rector) 89th (I started 3-0-1) :(. the other rector...not sure (I believe he is on this thread).

I had an extremely poor outing, ended up dropping after 6 to begin the long ride home.

Some quick notes:
Round 1 - Merfolk (this guy ended up 14th):
G1 - he scooped after I landed Yosei. That was satisfying. He probably didn't have to, I think he was just conserving time as the game had gone on for a while thanks to him playing a Standstill while I had Elspeth and he had a mutavault. He ended up breaking his own Standstill after about 3 turns which let me play Yosei.
G2 - don't recall much but I lost
G3 - Landed a Sun Titan after cracked Deed 4 times (1 thanks to E.Witness). Then he dropped a Gilded Drake and I got sad. Fortunately I had a Humility in hand, so I dropped that before he could recur anything. Unfortunately I ran out of removal before he ran out of 1/1's (and a Mutavault which is still a 2/2 w/ a Humility out). Really wished that had been a Moat. I bought a Moat on ebay on the drive home.
0 - 1

Round 2 - Affinity
G1 - she played out her hand, I cracked a Deed and a proceed to mop up.
G2 - I kept a hand w/ Therapy, Explorer, Zenith. She played T1 Grafdiggers Cage. Eledamris Call proved how awesome it was in this game. Deeded the board away again, the landed Baneslayer + Sigarda.
1 - 1

Round 3 - Omnitell
G1 - I sorta know this guy and figured he was on the S&T plan, so turn 1 I Therapy and call S&T. It whiffs, but I see City of Traitors confirming my thought. He top decks S&T, plays the City, drops Omniscience and gets medieval on me with Burning Wish -> Living Wish -> Emrakul.
G2 - Mull to 5. Kept a hand that had a Therapy, called S&T and whiffed again. Doesn't take long before he lands an Omni.
1 - 2

Round 4 - Nic Fit blue
G1 - he nickel and dimed me down to 3 before I stabilized with Deed + Sun Titan I think.
G2 - Again he's on the train to value town w/ Strixes and Oracles and slowly gets me down to 3. I thought I stabilized but then he draw a beater before me, playing Thragtusk.
G3 - This game was insane. He landed Hornet Queen 3 times. Yes, 3. He finally managed to get there off the hornets in turns. Note to self: do not Deed away the queen, it will just come back thanks to Eternal Witness. (He did that once, I can't recall how the third came about.)
1 - 3 (in spite of the loss, this is exactly the kind of ridiculous match that I have entirely too much fun with)

Round 5 - Thopter Sword thing w/ Puresteel and too many Paths and Plowshares
G1 - Yosei lock for the win! (Pernicious Deed also did good work.)
G2 - Don't quite recall what happened here, but it ended badly for me.
G3 - We started w/ about 4 minutes left. 2 Explorers + 1 Rector are not gonna get there in time. They will earn a draw though.
1 - 3 - 1

Round 6 - High Tide
Not much to say here. If there's a way for us to beat High Tide someone please tell me.
1 - 4 - 1 & drop

So... not the best showing. It pains me to love playing this deck so much and yet have such poor results. Wish I could find the time to really practice with it.

Things I think I know:
1) Eladrami's Call is here to stay. It's instant, it works around Cage, and it finds anything.
2) I cut a Zenith for the Call. I want that Zenith back.
3) Many was the time where I looked at the following hand: Thereapy, Explorer, Rector. Too many sac targets, too few sac outlets (4 therapy, 2 tower, 1 nightmare). Want to find a home for Diabolic Intent.
4) I like Sakura-Tribe Elder, but not 3. It's nice early and good to get that all important target creature in the bin to target w/ Recurring Nightmare, but most of the time I was more annoyed by it than anything. ("An Elder? I need to draw things that DO SOMETHING right about now!")

[Megadeus]

You could try dropping eladamris call for diabolic intent

[Alexeezay]

Hey guys, I went 4-1 at the local tourney with Scapewish again.
I like this nic fit version the most and it seems to be the best (so far).
Looking at the SCG Top8, scapewish continues to succeed.
2-1 vs W Stax
2-0 vs GBW Nic Fit
2-0 vs URg Omni & Tell
2-1 vs Burn
1-2 vs URg Omni & Tell

I realized how well scapewish actually fights against unfair decks like Show & Tell (& reanimator etc. prob. too). Red Blasts, Extractions and Burning Wish (especially) do a lot of work. In all the other match ups I don't have to worry that much, scapewish wins most of the time with an average/good opener and draw. Vs Elves & Merfolk you need to be very fast & have Deeds/Wish or you lose. Vs UWMiracle it looks like it depends on play skill & top decks, if you draw discard/top & you're not mana screwed in some way, scapewish usually wins (if not facing eot Entreat without Deed in play).
Also, match ups like the Nic Fit Mirror and Burn feel like a Joke. Scapeshift/B.Wish is a trump card in the mirror & Burn loses against Pyroclasm for Goblin Guide/Blockers/Thragtusk/Huntmaster, same for UR Delver and Canadian Threshhold match ups