[Deck] The Rock

[sdematt]

Abrupt Decay seems pretty darn good. The not-countering clause means it will kill Counterbalance, Delver, etc. and they can't do anything about it. Sometimes Pulse is great for different purposes, but this is also freaking excellent.

It can't replace Pulse because you can't hit Jace, but 2/2 split seems interesting.

-Matt

[KobeBryan]

Abrupt Decay seems pretty darn good. The not-countering clause means it will kill Counterbalance, Delver, etc. and they can't do anything about it. Sometimes Pulse is great for different purposes, but this is also freaking excellent.

It can't replace Pulse because you can't hit Jace, but 2/2 split seems interesting.

-Matt

yea...completely different purpose. but its a great great card.

[lavafrogg]

Abrupt Decay might even replace swords to plowshares in lists that want to stay GB for a more solid mana base. It destroys all creatures that see play in legacy baring some goblins, reanimator targets, sneak targets and the fact that it doubles as counterbalance/jitte/random destruction is a real bonus.

p.s. it really shits on all of RUG's creatures except the goose.

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attac...8&d=1346743269

Lotleth Troll... why the fuck does it say creature card. GBW loam was almost a really good deck.

Yeah.. I'm just going to keep editing with my complaints on the near playability of new cards that would have been able to fit n this deck.... The GB planeswalker would have been uber playable at 2BG with two forms of protection and a nifty way to win the game she also wrecks other planeswalkers in a head to head fight.

[KobeBryan]

Abrupt Decay might even replace swords to plowshares in lists that want to stay GB for a more solid mana base. It destroys all creatures that see play in legacy baring some goblins, reanimator targets, sneak targets and the fact that it doubles as counterbalance/jitte/random destruction is a real bonus.

p.s. it really shits on all of RUG's creatures except the goose.

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attac...8&d=1346743269

Lotleth Troll... why the fuck does it say creature card. GBW loam was almost a really good deck.

Yeah.. I'm just going to keep editing with my complaints on the near playability of new cards that would have been able to fit n this deck.... The GB planeswalker would have been uber playable at 2BG with two forms of protection and a nifty way to win the game she also wrecks other planeswalkers in a head to head fight.

impossible to replace swords to plowshares. a 1 mana removal is just too good. stops turn 1 lackeys, moms, blah.

[ceustice]

Abrupt Decay might even replace swords to plowshares in lists that want to stay GB for a more solid mana base. It destroys all creatures that see play in legacy baring some goblins, reanimator targets, sneak targets and the fact that it doubles as counterbalance/jitte/random destruction is a real bonus.

p.s. it really shits on all of RUG's creatures except the goose.

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attac...8&d=1346743269

Lotleth Troll... why the fuck does it say creature card. GBW loam was almost a really good deck.

Yeah.. I'm just going to keep editing with my complaints on the near playability of new cards that would have been able to fit n this deck.... The GB planeswalker would have been uber playable at 2BG with two forms of protection and a nifty way to win the game she also wrecks other planeswalkers in a head to head fight.

An idea I was thinking about was discarding Dryad Arbors and loaming them back.

[Mirrislegend]

I'm having a bitch of a time finding Mox Diamonds, so I can't weigh in with legit results (My losses these days come from being a turn too slow via lack of Mox). I'd really like to NOT have to crack my 3 sealed FTV: Relics to get Moxen. Especially cuz those are foil and the rest of the deck isn't.

[sdematt]

I can probably find some for you if you have the cash.

-Matt

[ryn ball_2]

seeded at top 2 this saturday legacy alongside w/ magic celebration in our local
top 1: miracle
top 2: rock
top 3: manaless dredge

R1 vs dredge: 2-0

R2 vs miracle: 1-1-1 (never say never)
G1: 4 hymn to tourachs in successive turns seem's i have a god hand there, he never recovered
G2: he has a good time in setting things up while i dont have much disruptions, so annoying that he has 1 2 cmc card and 1 3 cmc card on top of his library he figured it out that i curved in 1-2-3 cmc cards.
G3: time out

R3 vs manaless dredge: 1-1-1

R4 vs white stax: 2-0 (patience is a virtue)
G1: the stax player throws me out using his crucible+smokestacks leaving me w/ no permanents but patience is a virtue a re-assembled my field in a slow fashion but w/ cutting edge cards in my hand (pulse and deed) and the moment i went up to 3 mana deeds came and boomed on next turn (thanks i top deck a land, X=4 deed). Liliana came in cleaning his hand while i got beats from 7/8 goyf and bob
G2: got kotr beats w/ very big P/T thanks to his armageddon but still i have cutting edge cards in my hand

2-0-2

the list

4 bob, 4 kotr, 4 goyf
4 seize, 4 hymn, 2 liliana
3 pulse, 2 deed, 4 stp
3 sdt, 3 mox d
3 bayou, 3 scrubland
1 swamp, 1 forest, 1 plains
4 verdant, 4 marsh
3 wasteland
1 karakas, 1 maze of ith, 1 bog

//SB
1 EE, 1 deed, 1 e. plague
1 choke, 1 needle, 1 o-ring
1 cage, 1 tormod's
1 warmth
2 enlightened tutor
2 zealous persecution
2 extirpate

Future plans: deed doesnt brings me down when i need it, but counterbalance is really annoying i want to insert abrupt decay but i cant give up the slot of deed w/c make me think of 2 pulse, 2 decay, 2 deed, 4 stp from my original idea of 3 pulse, 2 decay (deed slot), 4 stp. Any thoughts?

[sdematt]

If I were you, I'd play 3 Pulse, 2 Decay, and 4 STP. At that point, you're blowing up everything. Plus, in the board, you could run 1-2 Deed.

-Matt

[ryn ball_2]

If I were you, I'd play 3 Pulse, 2 Decay, and 4 STP. At that point, you're blowing up everything. Plus, in the board, you could run 1-2 Deed.

-Matt

I like your idea sdematt, and deeds are coming from side, in theory i think i can handle aggro decks due to 9 spot removals right? . Hope to grab immediately a copy of decay! so excited

[namrufmot]

Why does no one SB Dueling Grounds anymore?

[ryn ball_2]

Why does no one SB Dueling Grounds anymore?

If you ask me, my preference is to eliminate all the aggro threats in the board (mass removal), dueling grounds is good but if that grounds break they can unleash massive scale of attack. Plus people here uses different variant of rock (w/ sfm or gsz that can handle aggro threats) w/c i assume they dont need the dueling grounds anymore. For my list i assume that i can handle aggressive opponent due to i have many spot/mass removals.

[hungryboi]

I was wondering what people's solution was to Show and Tell/ Omni? It's been really tough getting through all their counter with our discard. Then they go off with 2 lands with SNT, Omni, Emrakul. What has been your most viable tool against them pre/post board?

[ForlornEgoist]

@hungryboi: Well, it really depends on what I'm expecting when entering into a meta. In a majority of instances I don't experience great waves of SA/S&T so I don't bother building a SB to specifically answer it. That having been said, I'll usually just rely on discard with SB Leyline of Sanctity/Extirpate to answer Intuition. Not only this, Karakas should be in your 75 specifically to answer cheated creatures like Emrakul or Griselbrand.

Otherwise if you were to devote SB slots to said strategies, a few options might be:

Krosan Grip
Oblivion Ring
Tariff
Diabolic Edict
Ensnaring Bridge
Seal of Doom
Sudden Spoiling

These are just a few options. I know theres more efficient ways to answer S&T-based strategies however I don't encounter the MU in my metas enough that I've had to dedicate real time to playtesting answers. I'm sure someone else on here can assist.

One thing to consider is running an ETutor SB. From what I've been told by sdematt they can be quite effective.

Forlorn Egoist

[sdematt]

I think if you're expecting a ton of Omniscience, a mix of Discard, Extirpate, and Krosan Grip will deal their fate, as will Gaddock Teeg and the like. Karakas helps bounce Griselbrand/Emrakul when you need to.

It's not the greatest matchup, but you can attempt to fight through it. Wasteland aggressively, and back it up with threats to seal the game.

-Matt

[Mirrislegend]

I've had good experiences with Sylvan Library, and have shared my support of it.

HOWEVER, I recently realized how great Sensei's Divining Top is for us. We have the mana to spare, to spin the Top often, thanks to Mox. But what really sold me was the realization that we shuffle a fairly large amount. Recently, I topped, then activated Knight for a fetch. Being able to spin before cracking that fetch has been AMAZING for me.

I have to heavily reccomend Top over Sylvan Library, to anyone still using Library.

[mini1337s]

I've had good experiences with Sylvan Library, and have shared my support of it.

HOWEVER, I recently realized how great Sensei's Divining Top is for us. We have the mana to spare, to spin the Top often, thanks to Mox. But what really sold me was the realization that we shuffle a fairly large amount. Recently, I topped, then activated Knight for a fetch. Being able to spin before cracking that fetch has been AMAZING for me.

I have to heavily reccomend Top over Sylvan Library, to anyone still using Library.

Library does something that Top doesn't, Draw 3. I think it really depends on the type of game you want to play, but both have their uses.

[ForlornEgoist]

I think a good majority of us understand the strengths of filtering via Top, particularly considering that many of our builds sport 3-4 KotR, 2-3 GSZ, + 6-8 fetch. That having been said, Library's has its own unique strengths. Not having to rely on that 1 mana to filter your draw at Upkeep can be an amazing benefit therein itself considering how high we curve out at (even with BoP/Mox assistance). There are also many games, such as the control MU, where I am more than content to pay an extra 4 life for that additional card.

As a general rule of thumb I suggest players stick to Top if the choice is between the two, however I think running 2 Top/1 Library is a completely acceptable compromise.

Forlorn Egoist

[sdematt]

I wouldn't go back from running a 2/2 split ever again, as long as the meta stays relative to what it is now.

-Matt

[ryn ball_2]

@omni-snt/sneak show deck: depending on the build, in my list i ran 8-10 disruptions 4 seize+4 hymn+2 liliana preboard and i have a good game against sneak shows. On post board/sb i ran enlightened tutor package with o-ring on it and 2 extirpates which is really good against sneak show.
Atm i never encounter omni-snt type in our meta due to the fact that only few people play sneak show (luckily i encountered one of them in real tourney to just the wits of my pre/post board) but i believe omni-snt doesnt run misdirection (unlike in sneak show) w/c our disruption is highly probable to get through w/c i believe they run 8 counterspells (FOW and daze unlike in sneak show FOW, daze, spell pierce, misdirection) w/c is i think it is a good match up alongside o-ring, extirpate. Also i agree w/ the choice of krosan gripping a ominiscience to seal their fate.

@sylvan, sdt: i personally like running 3 sdt w/ 0 library in my list cuz i have MB deeds 2x w/c maybe my library got blown out, 3 sdt is good w/ liliana due to the fact we only need 1 top on the field and i usually throw the other tops for liliana +1. Just only my preference over library, i also agree a 2 sdt: 1 library ratio w/c is really good also.