X2 - agreedOriginally Posted by Anen
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I'm still having trouble deciding between thalia, krosan grip and trinisphere for my sideboard
I would say Thalia. Thalia gives you a clock which is better against combo than 3sphere, k-grip gets rid of problem stuff like blood moon which isn't too common anymore that Thalia doesn't; otherwise they're both good against Countertop with K-Grip being somewhat decent against blade variants while Thalia is amazing there.
Played with thalia to a 3-0 finish in my weekly tournament last night. It was definitely better against miracles than I expected and it helped me steal a win against storm, I'm sold.
As it is clear from my posts that I am still learning this deck, would it be possible for people posting tournament/game reports to include both:
a) deck list in the post
b) How you sided for each match (both # of cards in and out)
I think that this kind of information would help me tremendously, Thanks!
Artifacts
1 Crucible Of Worlds
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Mox Diamond
1 Oblivion Stone
1 Zuran Orb
Enchantments
4 Exploration
2 Manabond
1 Sylvan Library
Instants
3 Intuition
1 Enlightened Tutor
Sorceries
4 Life from the Loam
1 Raven's Crime
Lands
2 Bayou
1 Bojuka Bog
2 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Glacial Chasm
4 Maze of Ith
1 Misty Rainforest
4 Rishadan Port
1 Savannah
3 Tolaria West
2 Tranquil Thicket
3 Tropical Island
1 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
1 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills
Legendary Lands
1 Academy Ruins
1 Karakas
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Sideboard:
4 Chalice of the Void
1 Cursed Totem
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Oblivion Stone
1 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Dark Confidant
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
This Deck list is all over the place, I understand - Please dont question the singleton Enlightened Tutor :). What I did last night, just for you!
BUG 2-0
IN:
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Confidant
1 Explosives
1 Ensnaring Bridge
OUT:
3 Intuition
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Raven's Crime
2 Manabond
1 Sylvan Library
2 Tranquil Thicket
RUG 2-0
IN:
4 Chalice
3 Thalia
1 Explosives
OUT:
3 Intuition
2 Manabond
1 E. Tutor
1 Sylvan Library
1 Tranquil Thicket
Trainwreck 2-0
Dont think it matters, but:
IN:
1 Oblivion Stone
3 Thalia
4 Confidant
OUT:
4 Maze of Ith
1 Tabernacle
2 Manabond
1 Raven's Crime
RUG 1-1-1
IN:
4 Chalice
3 Thalia
1 Explosives
OUT:
3 Intuition
2 Manabond
1 E. Tutor
1 Sylvan Library
1 Tranquil Thicket
Junk - 2-0
IN:
1 Oblivion Stone
1 Explosives
4 Dark Confidant
1 Cursed Totem
OUT:
3 Intuition
2 Manabond
1 Raven's Crime
1 Enlightened Tutor
Little Message - Intuition and Manabond always come out, unless Im playing against Dredge or Goblins. Intuition is too against those decks, and you dont have a lot of time to assemble the lock pieces you need, so Intuition stays in often.
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Thanks for that, I played my brew last night (though less 1 witness for 1 sylvan library MD, SB was:
3 Dark Confidant
3 Chalice of the Void
1 Sylvok Replica
1 Ghostly Prison
1 COP:R
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Pithing Needle
1 Tormod's Crypt
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben).
I faced
R1: RUG Delver (2-1)
SB IN
3x Bob
3x Chalice of the Void
3x Thalia
1x Explosives
OUT
3x Intuition
3x Enlightened
1x Cursed Totem
1x Witness
1x Sylvan Library
1x thicket
R2: Know & Tell (0-2)
He uses Academy Rector+Cabal Therapy to get omniscience, so even though I had enlightened/top in G1, I was not able to tutor bridge and Know in Tell it in. He also has Cavern of Souls to get around counters (even if I could have landed a Chalice @ 4)
SB IN
3x Thalia
3x Bob
1x Sylvok Replica
1x ghostly prison
OUT
1x Eternal Witness
1x Sylvan Library
1x Riftstone Portal
3x Intuition
1x Cursed Totem
1x Explosives
R3 ANT (0-2)
Here I lose the dice roll and he T1's me. G2 I open with Waste, tolaria, fetch, 2 other land, needle, EE. I keep (in hindsight very loose) because I want to needle LED. of course he not only has 2 petals, but the probe to see EE and combo around it on T2. I probably should have aggro-mulled to chalice to set at 0? ///Feel free to advise///
SB In
3x Chalice
3x Bob
3x Thalia
1x Pithing Needle
1x Explosives
OUT
3x Intuition
1x Witness
1x Top
1x Sylvan Library
1x Bojuka
1x Rifstone
1x Cursed Totem
1x Glacial Chasm
1x Ensnaring Bridge
R4: Sligh (2-0)
I was not familiar with this build, saw 3x cursed scroll and a goblin guide G1. G2 I see lavamancer & price, though orb T1 plus exploration/loam put a stop to that stuff.
SB In
3x Thalia
1x Explosives
1x Needle
1x Sylvok Replica
Out
3x Intuition
1x Cursed Totem
1x Ensnaring Bridge
1x Witness
________
Comments:
1) Again, I faced 50% combo (and lost to both). The more I play, the more I realize that the bulk of my LGS is combo (Ive also faced Burn/Doomsday/other Show and Tell/other ANT/TES). I know that lands has a rough matchup with these decks. Is raven's crime that good against a T1/T2 thrashing? Other than winning the die roll and somehow surviving G1, and placing a T1 chalice in G2/3 are there other options to combating these "unfair" decks?
2) Witness is SB out in every matchup. Perhaps I dont need this security blanket (too slow?). I will trim for something better (and trim stronghold for perhaps a 4th maze)
3) As the bulk of my meta is combo, Cursed Totem came out in every match. I think that it will be moved to SB. Does this mean that I should trim back my Enlightened Tutors?
4) Im siding in so many cards each round, I worry that I am pushing the deck away from it's focus.
Pithing Needle doesn't stop Lion's Eye Diamond
The seven cardinal sins of Legacy:
1. Discuss the unbanning ofLand TaxEarthcraft.
2. Argue that banning Force of Will would make the format healthier.
3. Play Brainstorm without Fetchlands.
4. Stifle Standstill.
5. Think that Gaea's Blessing will make you Solidarity-proof.
6. Pass priority after playing Infernal Tutor.
7. Fail to playtest against Nourishing Lich (coZ iT wIlL gEt U!).
Wow, neither of us realized that. Props to running a Japanese needle that neither could read. The "threat" did not stop him but a turn in any case.
Perhaps I'll need to replace needle with Pithing Beetle (aka revoker). Then I have a needle that can hit mana abilities + attack.
I agree with everything but Thalia against RUG. Its good when you can make sure it stays in play without eating a bolt, to do so you've usually wrecked their manabase beyond recovery and have a chalice, making the 1 additional mana they pay for spells they couldn't cast anyway a bit pointless. When it's bad they pay 2 for a bolt and Thalia did nothing, and against rug you need all of your spells to have a somewhat immediate impact on the game.
You should probably include this somewhere in your signature.
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1. I've went over Ravens crime several times in the past 88 pages. Read it. The deck is very bad against combo. I wouldn't play it in that metagame(lol). But if you have to(which we all want to), throw main board combo hate in. You have Zuran Orb for burn, you have explosives for just about everything, Crucible for the tier 2 retarded decks (like Junk, Trainwreck), O Stone for massive removal. Why not play a Trinisphere Mainboard, and a Chalice Mainboard, just as long as its not a Maindeck creature, you'll be fine. But I would run Crime. It's really freakin good against non aggressive creature/planes walker decks.
2. Cut the witness. It is too slow, and too cute. 4 mazes has always been the right number for me.
3. Unless you go Ravens Crime, don't cut any Enlightened Tutors. They will be good 99% of the time.
4. I win game one about 95% of the time. The only type of edge they have against us (non-combo) is graveyard hate. The intuitions come out, and Bob comes in. So they side out removal, for gy hate, and Confidant ends up doing almost the same thing Loam does. It accelerates your card advantage, and keeps your head above water. Your graveyard will be attacked. And that will kill you unless you can accel. I mentioned above I beat Junk 2-0. I beat (all cast in order): Thalia, Gaddock Teeg, Scaveging Ooze, Qasali Pridemage, Maelstrom Pulse, surgical extraction on Loam, Liliana the Veil, Scavaging Ooze, Knight of the Reliquary, Bojuka Bog, Confidant, Confidant, Tarmogoyf, dryad arbor. I cast Loam once The whole game. You can fight anything... You just have to have a game plan. The deck functions differently after side owed. You just need to learn the functionality of it.
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thats harsh...I think he read but perhaps he wants to know something specific, like how will raven's crime make specific matchups more favourable vs running something like say enlightened tutor. Also need to factor in raven's crime needing the appropriate manabase to support.
So I am working on building this deck and wondered is it worth running one Taiga to run REB in the board in place of 2 confidants?
Currently Playing:
Dredge, The Rock, Lands, Spiral Tide, Affinity
Easily answered. No.
Dark Confidant is 4 of in your side. Preferably 8 of in side if it was possible.
Played Lands for the first time ever in a tournament. I ran a Raven's crime heavy build (like the one that won a SCG tourney)
I didn't expect to do awesome and just wanted to try it for a change (I usually play NicFit)
Easily won against fish
Lost to belcher in 2 really closes and crazy games
Drew against some monoblack hate/aggrodeck
Lost to Dredge
Drew against High Tide.
I forced belcher to go all in on his turn 1 after starting with Ravens Crime. He had nothing in play but belcher. Of course he rips the needed LED.
Game 2 he made 14 goblins on turn 1. I take 14 and manage to get Tabernacle in play. Take 3 hits from 1 remaining goblin (he had a Taiga) while getting chalice @ 0 and 1 into play. I find a waste and make a Trinisphere. I take forever to find a wincondition and when my opponent is @5 he goes Spirit Guide, Spirit Guide, Spirit Guide, Seething Song, Seething Song, Seething Song, Belcher, Kill you. I was looking for my Chasm for a couple of turns but couldnt find any (never found a Loam in that game either)
Monoblack was quite fun. I won game 1 quite easily. Game to I had stuff locked up but he managed to drain thought my Chasm with Kalastria Highborn :/ No time to play game 3.
The dredge player was really aweful (he couldnt make out how to stack the Bridge triggers after me blocking his Ichorid with Factory but the booze might have been an issue... he was really drunk already at 2PM :P) Eventually I just got overwhelmed eventhough I removed 3 bridges. Couldnt find any of my 8/9 outs I still had left.
High Tide was quite fun. He managed to fizzle in game 1 after which I raped his hand with Ravens Crime. I casually beat him with Tar Pits.
Game 2 he takes forever but gets there. we have 5 minuted before we go to additional turns. Im never going to make it... but he couldnt do it either. Amusing game with a really nice opponent.
I'm still unsure if I want to remove the Ravens Crimes from the main. They were really awesome all day (but it helps if you face combo 2x) I want to try Thalia in the side but currently the manabase doesnt support it with a high black requirement for Raven's Crime.
All in all its a really fun deck to play and will probably remain my goto deck when I dont feel like playing NicFit.
You can run a savannah, and Thalia in the board. Take a thicket out, and keep the Crimes. That's what I am currently doing
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Actually, after typing this having 8 would probably clog up the board too much, and it almost is possible to play 8 I guess if you consider Dark Tutelage.
Has anybody actually ever tried Dark Tutelage, perhaps as a one of to get with E.Tutor?
I am your High Tide opponent :)
It was indeed an amusing game & I met a nice opponent too.
Raven's crime was good against me in the first game because I gave you a new hand with Time Spiral (TS). I do not know how efficient it would be without this. My guess is too slow, but I may be wrong.
Sorry for game 2... I played the deck for the first time IRL & I was quite slow.
If I remember correctly, you played chalice of the void at 1 in game 2... but it shuts down the raven's crime plan. I can see a little conflict here, even though chalice is very good against me.
TW
If you can gain enough of a land advantage, you can blow your own chalice up with explosives at the end of turn, then ravens crime their hand away, the recast another one. I have done this once.... Thalia is super good though. Chalice at 3 is good too, since it shuts off Cunning Wish. I guess you run into the problem of them trying to go off on your turn though....
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