EE and Terminus can be Stifled.
Supreme Verdict > Geese // therefore Sphere > EE.
Sphere > EE because I can resolve it off opponent's Show&Tell and Exile their Emakrul or Griselbrand, it's all situationally relative man.Originally Posted by Basaka
I've had less problems against S&T than RUG (maybe because I run 2 flusterstorms in SB as well as spell pierce + counterspells in MD).
And if you want to argue that EE can be stifled, so can the sphere. Supreme verdict seems like a SBable card, but trying to get 4 mana against RUG can be really hard at times.
Would you guys splash red into U/W Stoneblade for Red Elemental Blast or Pyroblast or go straight with Flusterstorm? I'm having a hard time beating Show and Tell decks. My maindeck has 2 Counterspell, 2 Spell Pierce and 4 Force of Will.
show and tell shouldn't be a problem. It hasn't been for me in my testing. Granted Im running esper and discard works wonders.
westcoast degeneracy
As stated in my first post, I'm playing U/W Stoneblade. I am not running any discard.
Enlighten me. Why would U/W Stoneblade be a viable deck at all? I'd never see my playing a straight UW Control-deck not being Miracle... I mean...without Punishing Fires // Souls/Discard Stoneblade seems like a very very bad deck to be honest....
Greetings
I do not believe discard is what this deck needs in the current metagames. This is why I do not run Esperblade. Now, back to my question, would splashing red for the Blasts be better than using Flusterstorm?
1) Discard is not good in the modern metagame? *scrolls up* Hey you did complain about the Show and Tell-MU. I'll tell you a secret = Discard is amazing vs them. Very good vs SneakAttack and amazing vs Omniscience.
2) Splashing Red for Blasts? Meh, maybe for Punishing Fires, but this might be a little harder due to the Dryad being legal soon. I do not see a lot of reasons to splash red in the current metagame. Black makes everything so much better.
Greetings
I think for UW control decks there's currently two ways of going anti-combo. You either go the discard route or go with Counter-Top. REB is mainly good if you are fighting against counterspells or Jaces (meaning if you are RUG) but if you are UW I think you should either have Counterbalance or some discard in your 75. Because if you splash red for REBs and your opponent brings Sneak Attack? Or if he brings Academy Rector?
I do have Counter-Top in my 75. It is really useful against combo and control decks. The REB were meant for extra Counters against Show and Tell because they always seem to have more than I do with all those Cantrips.
I don't much like Sphere against Show and Tell really. They are already bringing in REBs, which are all of a sudden live against Sphere as opposed to Oblivion Ring.
And why do you feel this way?
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I got 3rd at my locals today. Played as follows:
I) 2-1 vs Miracles
II) 2-0 vs TheRock
III) 2-0 vs SneakAttack
IV) ID
Top4:
I) 1-2 vs Doomsday
II) 2-1 vs Canadian Threshold
I really couldnt imagine playing this deck without Black... I mean it gives you Thoughtseize against Combo/Control and Lingering Souls against Aggro/Control....
I played a rather unusual landbase:
3 Tundra
3 Underground Sea
1 Scrubland
4 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta
1 Marsh Flats
2 Island
2 Plains
1 Swamp
2 Academy Ruins
With 2 EE MB und 2 SB.
Greetings
If you want to increase your combo matchup running red is not the answer. The answer is black.
westcoast degeneracy
Doomsday seems like a good MU. I'm curious how that went. Also, I've been leaning away from Lingering Souls lately. What MU's did you side it in for and how did you like it?
4 EE in the 75 seems pretty intense. Is there a reason for that over splitting between other board wipes or removal?
That's a lot of non-blue lands (6/22). I'd probably argue against the Scrubland and the second Plains. The second Academy is there I guess because of the 4 EE's, but it still seems on the risky side. At least Karakas taps for White.
I tested the hybrid list on a 5 round tournament.(2 place with some help :-) )
I played a list like Kopie Spaeth list, with a few changes.
Will these lists discussed here or in the miracle Thread ?
I think it belongs better here ?
Last edited by jeanbathez; 09-16-2012 at 12:27 PM.
Well, that's the whole list I played:
//Lands
4 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta
2 Marsh Flats
3 Tundra
3 Underground Sea
1 Scrubland
2 Island
2 Plains
1 Swamp
2 Academy Ruins
//Spells
4 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Snapcaster Mage
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Engineered Explosives
3 Spell Pierce
3 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
2 Ponder
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 Thoughtseize
3 Lingering Souls
4 Swords to Plowshares
//Sideboard
3 Surgical Extraction
2 Path to Exile
2 Engineered Explosives
2 Vendilion Clique
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Force of Will
1 Duress
1 Flusterstorm
1 Disenchant
1 Tormod's Crypt
As said, I am pretty confident with my landbase, even though it differs alot from what other players prefer. I think having such a strong Basic-Land-Base is important. Even 2 Plains are pretty often very important. I do not play Karakas as my Vendilion Cliques are in the Sideboard, and I feel like EE+Ruins > Vendilion Clique + Karakas.
@Doomsday-MU. Me and him are among the best players in our town, but he tends to be better by a little percentage. In addition to this I made a game-deciding mistake..which was...pretty bad if I think about the fact, that I face Doomsday all 2 weeks at my smaller locals... I let him discard Ideas Unbound...wtf... No idea if I would have won - but this mistake was unexcuseable.
@Lingering Souls: I think this card is so essential... It even provided a clock in all of the 3 games against Doomsday....
Greetings
But then wouldn't it make me weaker to wasteland? I am currently playing U/W Stoneblade "hybrid" with some miracles card. I'm only running 2 tundras and 9 basics. Having so many basic lands is so good against a lot of decks. Counterbalance in my 75 really helps me against Storm, but doesn't do much against Show and Tell since you never want to tap out once they hit 3 lands. If I was to run black would 2 U-Sea and 1 Scrubland be enough? As I said above, I like basic lands.
I'll Just agree with some ppl here.
I'd had playing this deck for 3 sequentially tornments and some hard playtests. Some points imho:
. It needs black;
. in this case, at least 3 lingering souls at 75;
. need 4 FoW. I think 3 fow dont make any sense in a control blade with to many pitcheable cards;
. need karakas, for god. In addition of S&T or reanimate, it bounces thalia and gaddock (little more important even you run EE. In add Jace, Fow, Terminus...) and your own vendilion.
I run too a single vindicate in md.
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