Depending on whether he could hardcast Mindbreak Trap, you had a potential lineof play involving playing Petal + LED. Next turn play Rit + IT. Turn after, cast Past in Flames using LED mana as spell 1. This would let you replay discard spells to strip the Trap then win. Of course, a lot can change in a few turns, but it was at least possible to win from there (assuming he couldn't just pay 2UU).Originally Posted by pocari79
BZK! - Storm Boards
Been there, tried that, still casting Doomsday.
Drawing my deck for 0 mana since 2013.
Could you have played around Mindbreak Trap by playing Petal and LED, passing the turn, then next turn get Ad Naus and draw enough cards to find discard? With only Lavamancer for pressure maybe you had enough life to go for an Ad Naus...?
Edit: I didn't mean to re-state what had already been asked. I didn't see the post above mine. Sorry.
You could have also saved a discard spell for when you where closer to going off, even the turn you were going off. Especially after you had seen he didn't have a hardcounter in hand with the first discard. The deck can play around taxing counter somewhat well, you just need some lands + Dark Ritual or Past in Flames + LEDs.
Hi Guys, I was testing with UBr ANT ( GP Ghent/Timo List) and finf it to be a "little too hard" to beat the Canadian Matchup when they have MD Stifles + Flusterstorm + Envelop pós-SB.Also Cabal Ritual g
ot stuck in my hand more times that I would liked since wasteland + stifle is somehow common and can cripple our 14 lands manabase. I'm thinking about cutting the Cages(yes, they are reallt good against Reanimator and Dredge) but I would like to put more hate against Canadian and maybe Miracles, what do you guys think about it?
Thx.
@Alderon666: 2 weeks ago,I could won with zero mana and zero cards in hand against a CB on 2cc because I just cast PiF , played 2 probes, drawing a BlackLotus and casting all my stuff again.Multiples LEDs + PiF are really good to play around hardcounters AND taxes counters.
Super Bizarros Team.
HUEHUEHUE BRBRBR. VIVA DILMA!!! EM NOME DE JESUS CRISTO!
Stifle is one thing, but Wasteland should never be a problem. Fetch basics. Between basic Island, basic Swamp, and the artifact mana, you should almost never get blown out by Wasteland with this deck.
Maybe Defense Grid? Envelop and Flusterstorm don't hit it and it shuts down a bunch of random stuff like Surgical or Snapcaster.
It also must be great when they Show and Tell a Griselbrand and you put a Defense Grid. All those cards and no mana to cast them...
PS: But on a second note, Defense Grid might be bad. It just doesn't play well with discard if they have mana up, if you have Defense Grid out and play a Duress to see 2x Counterspells... your discard + Defense Grid just did absolutely nothing. On the other hand, if the Duress was a Chant, you would have locked them out.
I'd rather just have more discard in the board, as it handles RUG, Stoneblade, Miracles, Show and Tell, the Mirror and random things.
Matt Bevenour in real life
@emidln and Alderon666
Thanks for the reponses and the different lines of play! Gives me other options to think about next time I play.
@heathen
If I play petal + LED then next turn cast ritual, tutor, get ad nauseum and cast it, it would be the third spell and he could trap that. I also didn't have enough mana to hardcast ad nauseum without using LED mana anyways.
Because you never got 2-land hands like : U. Sea , Fetchland + 5non-cantrip cards. The decks is just more resilient against but it is far from immune to wasteland.
Super Bizarros Team.
HUEHUEHUE BRBRBR. VIVA DILMA!!! EM NOME DE JESUS CRISTO!
I'm ok with fetching duals into wastelands and strongly dislike 2 Islands or even 2/2, just fetch Sea unless basics are really necessary
btw just won ~40 people tournament, 7 rounds, standings, with this "random" pile...
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Badlands
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Volcanic Island
2 Underground Sea
4 Polluted Delta
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Duress
4 Brainstorm
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Ponder
4 Infernal Tutor
1 Grim Tutor
1 Burning Wish
1 Snapcaster Mage
1 Ad Nauseam
2 Past in Flames
1 Tendrils of Agony
SB: 2 Chain of Vapor
SB: 1 Pyroclasm
SB: 1 Thoughtseize
SB: 1 Empty the Warrens
SB: 1 Extirpate
SB: 1 Tendrils of Agony
SB: 2 Abrupt Decay
SB: 1 Pernicious Deed
SB: 3 Dark Confidant
SB: 1 Tropical Island
SB: 1 Karakas
2-0 UR Helm-Top combo (Flusterstorm+CB MD), 2-0 Deadguy Ale (haven't seen Thalia), 2-1 Canadian Threshold, 2-1 Canadian Threshold (Envelop), 1-2 GW Maverick, 2-0 Junk with Thalia, 2-0 Deadguy Ale (Thalia)
@sloshthedark, intresting choices you made. why double past in flames and the singleton snapcaster mage, grim tutor and burning wish? I am deciding which version I will take to a tournament next week and I can't decide.
2 PiF - I'd call it a signature tech, G1 it is insane I always like 1 in my hand and just makes sure I win G1 with Thresh, actually is somehow not that bad in Ad Nauseam in some scenarios, also good to note regular shop guys tend to be storm paranoid... I run it since February in all my builds and never look back...
the rest, that's a bit complicated... I experimented a lot in last month or two, used to play 2 Snapcaster +Grim, 2xDeed 2xEE SB recently .. with release of Abrupt decay the situation is unclear to me... because AD is not something I'm convinced I want vs. Maverick
Snapcaster is poor in Ad Nauseam and makes the deck slower, but shines vs. control +G2 and 2-4 dmg are often very relevant .. but also felt like I want 2 BW as an answer for Thalia or a MD answer (CoV/Karakas)... honestly I thought the Grim should be BW before the tournament (with Grim Tutor +2x 2CC in BW places I feel I have crossed the line where 2xPiF are logically sustainable and devalues the tech), but with 2-3 BW I'd need a "proper" wishboard (basicaly +Toa & IT) which I don't have space for (keeping splash G), I also wanted to keep speed of 5 black tutors, and kind of ended up like this... I can GrimT for BW at worst, double ToA and reach EtW G1 in case Ad Nauseam does not make sense (like land, petal, 2LED, Infernal Tutor)
actually I missed hardly on the meta call, it was mostly GWx and WBx midrange and storm all in 4+ copies, only 2 CB decks, so first tournament ever for me when dread of night would be a reasonable choice
so it's not something I can reasonably justify, basically I wanted to have fun and have more lines and versatility... G2 I board into Tendrils aggro (8-12 cards), it's not something I'd advise or is right to play, but it's fun and works for me, +Karakas was great and I'd probably want a second Extirpate
in vacuum I'd go for most consistent list 3IT, GT, 3BW list with double PiF, IT side (or just 4IT/3BW if you don't have GT) and avoid bad cards like Dread of night or grafdiggers cage in multiple copies
I top 8-ed las saturdday in a 131 people tournament with the list I posted in the page 208 (number 4143).
I only changed the sideboard a bit for this one:
SIDEBOARD 15
2x Tormod's Crypt
2x Grafdigger's Cage
4x Xantid Swarm
3x Abrupt Decay
3x Chain of Vapor
1x Ill-Gotten Gains
The list was excellent. I won't change a single card. Only I may give a try to the following changes in the sideboard, just to see if karakas is worth the slots:
-1x Chain of Vapor
-2x Grafdigger's CAge
+1x Tormd's Crypt
+2x Karakas.
I managed to win all the swiss games 2-0, but the only one I lost to G/W (1-2) and an intentional draw. I lost in top 8 to RUG tempo (1-2) my opponent played very good but also accepted he had some insane top decks in the crucial moments.
Greetings,
Iñaki.-
Spike-Johnny
@egosum, Gratz on ur T8. Why 2x grim tutor over Bwish? If I dont have access to the 2nd grim tutor, what would you take in it's stead?
Thanks. Sadly there is no real substitute for Grim Tutor, the closest card is Personal Tutor for this deck, but is not even near to Grim Tutor.
Grim Tutor main advantages is being on color (i.e. black, so can be cast off rituals) and not card disadvantage. For this matter it is, along with Infernal tutor, they are unique in their role. It is also important that they are the recurrable, which is important for cards like PiF or IGG. This last point makes it strictly stronger than BW (which main flaw is that it cannot fetch a REAL storm engine).
Greetings,
Iñaki.-
Spike-Johnny
Came in second at a 27 man event in Philadelphia today.
Sideboard:
1 Cabal therapy
1 Inquisition of Kozelik
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Ill gotten gains
1 Grim Tutor
1 Viture's ruin
4 Dread of night
1 Chain of vapor
3 Abrupt decay
1 Tropical Island
Rd 1 loss to Death and Taxes 1-2 (top 8's)
Rd 2 Bye
Rd 3 Win over Zombie Bombardment 2-0
Rd 4 Win over GBr Nic Fit 2-0
Rd 5 ID
Top 8: 2 Esperblade, 2 RUG, 1 Maverick, 1 Death and Taxes, 1 Belcher, and me with AnT
Top 8 Win over Esper Stoneblade 2-0. Had to Brainstorm into past in flames into Probe/brainstorm into tutors. Felt great.
Top 4 split, my opponent doesn't want the byes associated with the Tournament Series and drops.
Finals loss to Esper stoneblade 1-2. Got double inquisitioned, double extracted game two and spell pierce into clique/karakas game three. 3 turns running I ripped Infernal Tutor off the top and got it sent to the bottom.
Out of the 27 players, only 9 were running force of will. The field was incredibly soft to combo. Grim tutor won me two games for being itself, IGG was irrelevant, the added discard was awesome against my esper opponents, I missed empty the warrens twice. Abrupts never came in, chain let me showboat once, and the dread of nights were awkward. I think I jsut like virtue's ruin better, but perhaps I am biased after getting Tidehollow sculler'd out of round 1.
Matt Bevenour in real life
I just picked up this deck and am a complete novice with storm but I took this to a local legacy win-a-box tournament and played without any real testing the red ghent list.
Which was stupid and I played badly but I did make top 4 which drew, but the reason why I am posting is to chime in on the grim tutor question.
I did not own grim tutor and played perish instead, my only game loss (just a game not a match) was to whiffing a storm with 1r 7b and a burning wish in hand but storm count off by 1 for tendrils from sb, if I had grim tutor I would have won.
The deck NEEDs 1 tutor from the sb, and grim is the best by far. At least that is my beginner's opinion on the matter.
And yes I'm crazy, I was calling this Spanish inquisition the whole tournament and made some mistakes that made a die hard storm player facepalm.
Grim tutor is a luxury. if you can afford it, the versions with it are better.
Why perish? Did you mean virtue's ruin?
Matt Bevenour in real life
no it was perish, it should have been nature's ruin but I don't own those and actually just threw in perish because it was a 3cc black card filler making the sb 15 cards.
TBH it should have been diabolic tutor or even beseech the queen, ANY tutor would've been better.
If you have 1R and 7B, then cast Burning Wish, you'll be left with 6B. In that instance, what good would Grim Tutor have done for you? After you Grim Tutor you're left with 3B. Did you mean that you had 1R and 7B after casting Burning Wish?
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