All B/R update speculation.

[Lemnear]

People still underestimate the power of Brainstorm, even after it became widely known as "the best card in Vintage"....

rarely ever read such nonsense

[FieryBalrog]

rarely ever read such nonsense

before it got restricted, people did often call it that. did you start playing after 2008?

[Gui]

before it got restricted, people did often call it that. did you start playing after 2008?

I thought Yawgmoth's Win was vintage's best card... I'm confused now.

[tsabo_tavoc]

before it got restricted, people did often call it that. did you start playing after 2008?

When people start to focus on the triviality, they have already understood the fact, Brainstorm is broken, and the reason.

[Justin]

I think he meant that Brainstorm was the best card before it became restricted, because you could run four of it. Ancestral Recall is obviously strictly better, but you can only run one.

[Lemnear]

before it got restricted, people did often call it that. did you start playing after 2008?

I played it since long before "Vintage Apocalypse". Moreover you said nothing about the "best unresticted card before June '08". In every other iteration your sentence doesn't make any sense.

[Koby]

Brainstorm was recognized to be amazing ever since Fetchlands came on the scene. Especially in those same decks that also ran Gush. Coincidence?

[Gheizen64]

I played it since long before "Vintage Apocalypse". Moreover you said nothing about the "best unresticted card before June '08". In every other iteration your sentence doesn't make any sense.

Dude it was a manner of speech, just like "Goyf is blue".

People called brainstorm the best vintage card to emphasize the fact that running 4 BS went a long way winning you the game. I remember a lot of deckbuilding articles referencing this in a way or another.

[Humphrey]

I dont think you can compare Library to Brainstorm. If played correctly (shuffle-effects) Brainstorm is basically an Ancestral Recall. To achieve this with Library you have to pay 1 more and 12 life...

But well, I guess most people on this forum already know my position
The day Brainstorm will be banned, the format is much more balanced.

[Lemnear]

The topic with Library was "Card selection", something that is part of the complaints against blue.

The whole Brainstorm topic is full of hyperboles. Brainstorm exchanges cards in hand with the top Library cards like scroll rack but doesn't draw 3 like Ancestral Recall. We sure can discuss about cost and value of the effects but we should not alter the effects in mind while arguing.

Comparing Sylvan Library to Ancestral Recall to prove Brainstorm overpowerd is as farfetched as comparing Past in Flames to Yawgmoth's Will to discuss a ban of Lion's Eye Diamond.

[Humphrey]

You´ll get 3 new cards in your hand and with a shuffle effect you will draw fresh cards after this. You will not have more cards in hand, but you drew 3 cards for U. Its not that different from Recall, where you probably draw or keep 2 cards you cant use anyway.

Actually the effect of putting back cards is an advantage in most cases. Saving your cards from discard, manipulating your topdeck for Counterbalance, Miracles or Delver, get rid of Progenitus to NO it, Intuition. Pretty sure there are more positive interactions.

This is too good for Legacys powerlevel.

[joemauer]

Can we just make every November "Brainstorm Awareness Month"?

This way we can contain the ban Brainstorm discussion to one, expected, month every year.

[Greenpoe]

Banning Brainstorm would be stupid. Instead, they should just print more fetchland hate! Pre-Zen, Wasteland was significantly stronger. Pre-fetches, Brainstorm was significantly weaker. People rarely talked about banning Brainstorm until after Zen, too. We need a new card, something like:
Warland
Land
T: Add (1) to your mana pool.
T: Counter target activated or triggered ability an opponent controls.

More fetchland hate = people run more duals and/or basics = more Wastelands = fewer 3/4 color decks getting the best of everything. Fewer 3 & 4 color decks AND fewer fetchlands = less Brainstorm. Oh, and Sinkhole would get better. I'd love for that to be playable again.

[Raystar]

Warland
Land
T: Add (1) to your mana pool.
T: Counter target activated or triggered ability an opponent controls.

You understand that what you propose would hate especially on Wasteland, hence obtaining the reverse result that you are seeking, right?

[Humphrey]

I could live with that hatebear we designed somewhere.

1R
2/1 First Strike
Players cant draw cards. Doesnt count for the first card drawn each turn.

But lets not make another shitty card creation thread again..

[Gheizen64]

Banning Brainstorm would be stupid. Instead, they should just print more fetchland hate! Pre-Zen, Wasteland was significantly stronger. Pre-fetches, Brainstorm was significantly weaker. People rarely talked about banning Brainstorm until after Zen, too. We need a new card, something like:
Warland
Land
T: Add (1) to your mana pool.
T: Counter target activated or triggered ability an opponent controls.

More fetchland hate = people run more duals and/or basics = more Wastelands = fewer 3/4 color decks getting the best of everything. Fewer 3 & 4 color decks AND fewer fetchlands = less Brainstorm. Oh, and Sinkhole would get better. I'd love for that to be playable again.

Just make something to go with waste. Something like a land that prevent land entering into play if sacced. A variant of root maze would also help a lot hating on fetch. But zzz seriously.

[Lemnear]

Seriously suggesting a repeatable Stifle on a Land to "battle" Wasteland? How can you be so ignorant to Miss the fact that Stifles run WITH Wasteland in Legacy?

Tap a Land to counter each Fetchland, Planeswalker, Storm spell, Enter the Bartlefield, Counterbalance, etc. Sounds really balanced *facepalm*

[Fizzeler]

They could just print a new Dimir Card that prevents players from searching their library, but permanently and not until EOT like:

New Dimir Guildmage
UB
UB: Player's can't search their library until the beginning of the next upkeep
1UB: Something
2/2

[Koby]

They could just print a new Dimir Card that prevents players from searching their library, but permanently and not until EOT like:

New Dimir Guildmage
UB
UB: Player's can't search their library until the beginning of the next upkeep
1UB: Something
2/2

Yes. Let's print more Blue cards that punish people for trying to break Blue's dominance. Please stick the card creation to specific threads of that purpose.

[xfxf]

This is too good for Modern's powerlevel.

Fixed that for you.

Turn two Emrakul or Yawgmoth's Bargain on a Stick isn't too powerful for this format. On the fair side this format has insane plays like Lackey into Matron into Ringleader. Completely fair aggro decks like Affinity are able to get turn 3 kills. This is a powerful format. We like it.