[Deck] GW/x Maverick

[Jiaozy]

Attack for value (no bounce? OK)
Main Phase 2 - target with Mother of Runes, resolve?
If Yes, pass the turn.
If No, recast.

Obv they can counter it, but that also eats a card in their hand. It's a risk, but they can bounce/counter regardless. This way, it still eats up 3 cards in their hand.

If you attack with Gaddock you're doing something seriously wrong since they can eat it with Vendilion or Snapcaster or, if you pro-blue with a Mother, just STP it.

[Philipp2293]

I think Koby's comment was directed at the High Tide MU and how to interact with Wipe Away.

[Julian23]

Indeed, we were talking about the Spiral Tide Matchup. You don't wanna be walking your Teeg into a SCM against Miracles.

[264505]

This is the reason why Maverick will not place well on U.S. soil:

http://blip.tv/scglive/20121118-scgs...-eades-6449234


Both the deck list and the plays smell inexperience. When will we see 5-10 experienced europeans travel to a SCG tournament and show whatsup?!

I remember hearing Cedric talk about that on gamestate, but its even more disappointing watching it on video.

[Goosen]

If you attack with Gaddock you're doing something seriously wrong since they can eat it with Vendilion or Snapcaster or, if you pro-blue with a Mother, just STP it.

Read everything and maybe ask if you do not understand rather than criticize. If you do not attack I think you are doing something seriously wrong in that match up.

Given that Thalia + Mother of Runes is your best bet against them, I really don't see why in the world you'd want to keep 2 mana up at any given time for a Chant when you'd be better served by spending them to try and put a short clock on the table rathen than HELP them by playing the waiting game!

Why keep up 2 mana vs storm? 1 mana is enough because the storm player have to get rid of Thalia before "going off" then you will have a chance to play it for 1.

But I agree with you, Storm is not the reason why Maverick having problems right now.

[useL]

What is the reason Maverick, according to you, has problems? The only problem I see is weak pilots and bad lists.

[Philipp2293]

What is the reason Maverick, according to you, has problems? The only problem I see is weak pilots and bad lists.

Miracles and Omnitell, mostly.

[maktus]

Miracles and Omnitell, mostly.

Against omnitell:
3-4 oblivion ring sb
1 thornscape apprentice md (in place of maze of ith)

Against miracles:
1 gaddock md
1 gaddock sb
1 sylvan safekeeper sb or md
3-4 oblivion ring (jace, batterskull, Humility, rest in peace, energy field + cursed totem, etc)

Has anyone tested these changes?

[Goosen]

What is the reason Maverick, according to you, has problems? The only problem I see is weak pilots and bad lists.

Miracle and more specifically Terminus.

Agree that some are terribly bad at playing and their decklist looks strange. But there is alot of bad players playing other strange decklists aswell. And ofcourse decks that requires more skill will get even worse with a bad player. I think many underestimate Maverick and think it's a simple deck to play. But it requires a good knowledge of the opponent's game plan to play optimally. There are so many different strategies primarily due GSZ and KotR.

If you check out "to much info", Mavericks % winning are dropping. So something have happen for sure. Maybe thats becasue the better players have started playing other decks instead, and if thats the case, why?

Edit:

Regarding Omnitell so do I not think thats the case why Maverick winning % are dropping. Show and Tell decks have allways been a problem for Maverick so not much have change here. And I think I rather play against Omnitell then Sneak and Show, but need a diffrent approach.

[Esper3k]

I remember hearing Cedric talk about that on gamestate, but its even more disappointing watching it on video.

Wow that game 3 was just a travesty...

[Ziveeman]

Miracle and more specifically Terminus.

Agree that some are terribly bad at playing and their decklist looks strange. But there is alot of bad players playing other strange decklists aswell. And ofcourse decks that requires more skill will get even worse with a bad player. I think many underestimate Maverick and think it's a simple deck to play. But it requires a good knowledge of the opponent's game plan to play optimally. There are so many different strategies primarily due GSZ and KotR.

If you check out "to much info", Mavericks % winning are dropping. So something have happen for sure. Maybe thats becasue the better players have started playing other decks instead, and if thats the case, why?

Edit:

Regarding Omnitell so do I not think thats the case why Maverick winning % are dropping. Show and Tell decks have allways been a problem for Maverick so not much have change here. And I think I rather play against Omnitell then Sneak and Show, but need a diffrent approach.

Splashing blue for Envelop (which stop both Show and Tell and Miracle cards) seems like a decent way to fight those decks. Some RUG Delver decks do it and maybe it's not so bad to adopt for Maverick.

[conley1000000]

What is the reason Maverick, according to you, has problems? The only problem I see is weak pilots and bad lists.

Im not disagreeing with this at all. So what does a good European list look like? You cant sit back and say thats doing it wrong without support your doing it right.

[Koby]

Yes, the entire discussion was revolving how to protect hate-bears against Spiral Tide/High Tide decks while still maintaining pressure.

RE: quality of Maverick
It's probably on par with the quality of other SCG players at similar tournaments. Poor at best. Not everyone can be a master.

RE: Bad matchups
* Miracle/Terminus (there are really only about 5-7 cards Maverick cares about in this matchup: 5 miracles and Jace TMS)
* Show & Tell (multiple variations)
* Monoblack Pox

RE: Playing Maverick well
Imagine how the game state will look like in 2-3 turns. Plan your fetches/turns accordingly. Many times, I'll develop a Hierarch over a Mom in a matchup where Mom is more important due to have a shortage of mana. Example: Opening hand of Savannah, Wasteland, Hierarch, Mom -- Savannah/Hierarch is more appropriate in this case.

Splashing blue for Envelop (which stop both Show and Tell and Miracle cards) seems like a decent way to fight those decks. Some RUG Delver decks do it and maybe it's not so bad to adopt for Maverick.

I still like Chant/Silence better, as its on color and has applications against Storm and other odd ball spell-based decks.

RE: Doing it wrong / Euro-USA Lists
Maindeck Path to Exile is doing it wrong.
Playing only 1 Sylvan Library is doing it wrong.

EDIT: didn't finish my sentence at the end.

[sdematt]

I still think you should be playing 2 Sylvan Library. I loved that card all day on Sunday. Same with Gaddock Teeg.

-Matt

[Esper3k]

Big fan of Sylvan Library in Maverick (and in general). It's one of the best cards you can have against control since it's difficult for them to remove and you can usually just pay life for cards without caring.

[Asthereal]

Sylvan Library isn't just good against control. It's a life saver against the mirror and helps to find StP for Delver against Tempo Thresh.

[useL]

Im not disagreeing with this at all. So what does a good European list look like? You cant sit back and say thats doing it wrong without support your doing it right.

Here is my maindeck for my last 4-0 tournament.

21 lands:

4 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
2 Misty Rainforest
1 Karakas
3 Wasteland
2 Forest
1 Plains
1 Gaea's Cradle
3 Cavern of Souls

14 others:

4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Sylvan Library
2 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Garruk Relentless

25 creatures:

1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Mother of Runes
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence


I have cut all weak utility lands (Horizon Canopy isn't a forest, thus sucks with knight+scryb ranger), Maze of Ith (this is only good in matchups that allready plays wasteland, thus being really weak sacrificing a land to get it and then loosing it, granted it is good offensively as well, but I would rather play a Sylvan library or Linvala or stoneforge than Maze, seing as they are all flex slots)

I have gone to 2 Sylvan Library and 2 Planeswalkers to increase my matches vs Miracle/Esper.

I have gone up to 2 Qasali Pridemage to win the mirror and against OmniShow

I now play Linvala main to win the midrange fights and tribals (my meta is filled with Oozes, Knights, Moms, goblins, elves)

I also picked up a Stoneforge Mystic to find Jitte in midrange and control games.

My sideboard is divided into 3 techs: miracles (teeg, pithing needles, one more elspeth), storm (thorn of amethyst, crop rotation -> bog), tribal (removal) and a couple of Krosan Grip for the diverse meta.

It is indeed about playing the deck well, I am not saying I'm the best pilot out there, I picked up this deck maybe 6 months ago, but I have played BANT in 2 GP's and the operating is quite similar. My last game last Tuesday I sat with a Knight untapped for 3 whole turns instead of crashing into my storm opponent for 6 each turn and instead hitting with a dryad arbor or hierarch because I knew that when I tapped my Knight it would be lights out since I could not remove his GY for treshhold/ill-gotten gains/past in flames. I am quite sure that a less experienced player maybe would go for the kill instead and this would have been the game since he had a grip full of answers to a tapped knight.

The changes I made to my stock list was crucial. I got to resolve Sylvan Library in the mirror and find Qasali for his hatebear naming Mother of Runes. If I were to make any changes it would be to cut a planeswalker or the Stoneforge to go up one Scryb Ranger, its just the best card in the deck together with Mom or Knight or ramping into planeswalker/jitte-swing etc.

[Asthereal]

My list looks quite similar. The many Storm decks in my meta have made me drop the Walkers in favor of a fourth Thalia and an additional Pridemage (utility and a reasonable clock). The SFM is a second Scryb Ranger in my list. Furthermore I don't own Caverns so I have a third Forest and additional fetchlands to increase the stability of my mana base. I have also dropped Canopy. The Cradle is a Maze of Ith in my list. My curve is lower, so there is less need for a Cradle.

My sideboard still needs some work. Right now I have:
3 Chant
3 Oblivion Ring
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Spike Feeder
1 Bojuka Bog
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Path to Exile
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Thrun, the Last Troll (still good against control)

The Oblivion Rings have a lot of work eating Show and Tell targets and Planeswalkers. So far they have helped a lot.

[useL]

The Cradle is a Maze of Ith in my list. My curve is lower, so there is less need for a Cradle.

I always tend to love the Cradle when it shows up, using it with Scavenging Ooze or being able to zenith up a knight tapping just one land is fantastic. Or even being able to pay for spell pierce even though the opponent thinks it is impossible is quite worth while. Consider this the next time you pick up the deck, would I want my Maze of Ith to be a Umezawa's Jitte? I asked myself that a lot of times and came up with that I really want that Stoneforge as a third Jitte.

[Jiaozy]

Why Spike Feeder over Kitchen Finks? Is there any reason other than nostalgia?