[Deck] Dredge

[Michael Keller]

Expect a touch-up to the O.P. Looking to get more videos, information and other good stuff in there.

[Mr. Froggy]

If I understand Dredge correctly, I reveal all 6 cards from GGT, then I put them in the graveyard? I used to reveal them one by one to make things easier for me and my opponent.

[teonsw]

If I understand Dredge correctly, I reveal all 6 cards from GGT, then I put them in the graveyard? I used to reveal them one by one to make things easier for me and my opponent.

I'm not as sure that it an issue to normal dredge, but the dredge all happens at once so te cards all enter the graveyard at the same time. I know in manaless order is important for creatures like nether shadow, and since they all enter at the same time it gives you the option of changing the order of the 6 revealed cards when they enter the yard.

[Michael Keller]

Looking to go to Baltimore. Will most likely be piloting Dredge.

[teonsw]

Looking to go to Baltimore. Will most likely be piloting Dredge.

Not Manaless?!?

[Fizzeler]

If I understand Dredge correctly, I reveal all 6 cards from GGT, then I put them in the graveyard? I used to reveal them one by one to make things easier for me and my opponent.

I'm not as sure that it an issue to normal dredge, but the dredge all happens at once so te cards all enter the graveyard at the same time. I know in manaless order is important for creatures like nether shadow, and since they all enter at the same time it gives you the option of changing the order of the 6 revealed cards when they enter the yard.

After boarding many Dredge decks bring in Ashen Ghoul or Nether Shadow for Surgical so GY order is relevant, but yes since all cards hit the GY at the same time you choose the order they hit the GY

[4zureSky]

I'd say ALWAYS expect grafdigger and surgicals. That way, you'll be more prepared than to be totally surprised and get shut down by 1 or 2 cards. I just worry about Mongoose for RUG and Ooze for Maverick. Both of those can be handled by Firestorm But hopefully, you can combo out before any of those gets annoying.

[Fizzeler]

I'd say ALWAYS expect grafdigger and surgicals. That way, you'll be more prepared than to be totally surprised and get shut down by 1 or 2 cards. I just worry about Mongoose for RUG and Ooze for Maverick. Both of those can be handled by Firestorm But hopefully, you can combo out before any of those gets annoying.

Cage I expect out of decks like RUG (never expect it from Maverick as it shuts down GSZ), D&T, and almost any control deck

Surgical I expect in any deck that can afford 2 life

[Michael Keller]

Not Manaless?!?

Not sure yet. Right now I'm 50/50.

[Mindlash]

I just worry about Mongoose for RUG and [...]. Both of those can be handled by Firestorm

Shroud wants to have a word with you...
Honey badger don't care. Honey badger don't give a shit. :-/

Greetings Chris

[4zureSky]

Shroud wants to have a word with you...
Honey badger don't care. Honey badger don't give a shit. :-/

Greetings Chris

Aw man, I wasn't thinking. Good call :(

[Mindlash]

Aw man, I wasn't thinking. Good call :(

No Problem :-) But I think Mongoose and Tarmogoyf are no problem in this Matchup. You can generally ignore them or chumpblock them with Zombies once they are strong enough so you do not loose your bridges. Canadian is pretty easy to beat with Dredge to be fair. Game 2 you can DDD to avoid counters and wait for an extra landdrop to play through their daze'.

Early Delvers can be problematic though. Only your Moebas can block them (ok and Stinkweed...but this is rather seldom). You should also take be cautious because their Lightning Bolts can deal with your Bridges (mostly by shooting at Delver).

Most RUG Delvers use Surgicals and Tormod's here. This is why I use Ghouls after Boarding. It increases your threat density and helps you against both cards. When they suprise you with Cages in G2 just switch to Claims in G3. You could also board nothing in G3 and try to race them while cabaling their cages, but I like the safe way and grind games out in G2/G3.

Against Maverick I board nothing and just race them. Seems like an 50/50 Matchup. Perhaps slightly in our favor. Marverick seems to be on the decline here though...

This was written from a LED Quadlaser Dredge (with Ghoulboard) perspective.

Greetings Chris

[sherko7]

No Problem :-) But I think Mongoose and Tarmogoyf are no problem in this Matchup. You can generally ignore them or chumpblock them with Zombies once they are strong enough so you do not loose your bridges. Canadian is pretty easy to beat with Dredge to be fair. Game 2 you can DDD to avoid counters and wait for an extra landdrop to play through their daze'.

Early Delvers can be problematic though. Only your Moebas can block them (ok and Stinkweed...but this is rather seldom). You should also take be cautious because their Lightning Bolts can deal with your Bridges (mostly by shooting at Delver).

Most RUG Delvers use Surgicals and Tormod's here. This is why I use Ghouls after Boarding. It increases your threat density and helps you against both cards. When they suprise you with Cages in G2 just switch to Claims in G3. You could also board nothing in G3 and try to race them while cabaling their cages, but I like the safe way and grind games out in G2/G3.

Against Maverick I board nothing and just race them. Seems like an 50/50 Matchup. Perhaps slightly in our favor. Marverick seems to be on the decline here though...

This was written from a LED Quadlaser Dredge (with Ghoulboard) perspective.

Greetings Chris

RUG is not an issue with this deck at all. I've played against 3 RUG players during my last tourney and managed to beat them all (6-2). U/R is much more of a threat for me (but still favorable) due to the speed. The extra amount of burn it packs adds to the pressure as it can easily burn down its own GG's, Delvers to exile your Bridges or simply aim everything straight to your face while you're slow dredging. Still, like I said, still favorable.

My official archenemy right now is Stoneblade.

[Mindlash]

RUG is not an issue with this deck at all. I've played against 3 RUG players during my last tourney and managed to beat them all (6-2). U/R is much more of a threat for me (but still favorable) due to the speed. The extra amount of burn it packs adds to the pressure as it can easily burn down its own GG's, Delvers to exile your Bridges or simply aim everything straight to your face while you're slow dredging. Still, like I said, still favorable.

My official archenemy right now is Stoneblade.

I would board Ghouls here too. Most of the times Stoneblades are on Surgicals. If needed you can bring your Claims G3 here. I would board similar to what I board against RUG Delver.

Most of the time they have no pressure, but can be pretty annoying with StP on your Ichorids.
Battlerskull can be problematic with counterbackup but normally you can just strip it from their hand after they tutored it with Mystic. I have a 1off Grudge which can be helpful too.

I am not very good in fighting Zombardement though. I just cannot decide if it is better to board nothing at all and race them, which should be pretty easy due to their creatures inability to block or if I should bring Ghouls for a more diverse threatbase and to counter Surgicals. But then again they sometimes surprise me with Leyline which sucks. It is not that its an unbeatable matchup but I feel pretty unconfortable with it. Thank god you do not meet those very often :-/

And I thankfully never met RiP/Helm Combo yet :> This will be not very funny to play against I guess...

Greetings Chris

[Fizzeler]

I would board Ghouls here too. Most of the times Stoneblades are on Surgicals. If needed you can bring your Claims G3 here. I would board similar to what I board against RUG Delver.

Most of the time they have no pressure, but can be pretty annoying with StP on your Ichorids.
Battlerskull can be problematic with counterbackup but normally you can just strip it from their hand after they tutored it with Mystic. I have a 1off Grudge which can be helpful too.

I am not very good in fighting Zombardement though. I just cannot decide if it is better to board nothing at all and race them, which should be pretty easy due to their creatures inability to block or if I should bring Ghouls for a more diverse threatbase and to counter Surgicals. But then again they sometimes surprise me with Leyline which sucks. It is not that its an unbeatable matchup but I feel pretty unconfortable with it. Thank god you do not meet those very often :-/

And I thankfully never met RiP/Helm Combo yet :> This will be not very funny to play against I guess...

Greetings Chris

Stoneblade can be quite annoying mainly due to surgical, Therapy is a must vs them I usually hit Surgical followed my Snappy, if for some reason I expect they aren't on surgical I'll hit StP

Zombardment board in something to outrace them

RiP/Helm is easier than expected just kill them turn 1 or 2

EDIT: Hollywood (Mike) if you are heading to Baltimore, let me know if you need to borrow anything spicy for your sideboard

[Michael Keller]

Stoneblade can be quite annoying mainly due to surgical, Therapy is a must vs them I usually hit Surgical followed my Snappy, if for some reason I expect they aren't on surgical I'll hit StP

Zombardment board in something to outrace them

RiP/Helm is easier than expected just kill them turn 1 or 2

EDIT: Hollywood (Mike) if you are heading to Baltimore, let me know if you need to borrow anything spicy for your sideboard

Thanks, man. I appreciate the offer. I have every conceivable Dredge sideboard card pimped, so I should be good.

[joemauer]

I would board Ghouls here too. Most of the times Stoneblades are on Surgicals. If needed you can bring your Claims G3 here. I would board similar to what I board against RUG Delver.

Most of the time they have no pressure, but can be pretty annoying with StP on your Ichorids.
Battlerskull can be problematic with counterbackup but normally you can just strip it from their hand after they tutored it with Mystic. I have a 1off Grudge which can be helpful too.

I am not very good in fighting Zombardement though. I just cannot decide if it is better to board nothing at all and race them, which should be pretty easy due to their creatures inability to block or if I should bring Ghouls for a more diverse threatbase and to counter Surgicals. But then again they sometimes surprise me with Leyline which sucks. It is not that its an unbeatable matchup but I feel pretty unconfortable with it. Thank god you do not meet those very often :-/

And I thankfully never met RiP/Helm Combo yet :> This will be not very funny to play against I guess...

Greetings Chris

Leyline is actually quite good here. It cuts off Zombardment's tricks that they use to keep us off zombie tokens. Also, destroys a lot of their synergy. Turns most of their creatures into boring Savannah Lions, that can't block. Oh and they have usually have very few ways(if any) to destroy enchantments.

I would not like to get paired against RiP combo either, ever in a tourney. Good thing that deck isn't popular/good.

[Mr. Froggy]

My LEDs are in the mail, I should receive them shortly.

I was wondering though, against Elves am I better off just siding in Iona and naming green or siding in Elesh? I assume either way, Elves is gonna have one hell of a time (if I can find them, that is). Or here comes another question, do we even need to side in something against Elves? A guy at my LGS plays Elves, so I was wondering.

Also, against the mirror, do I side in both grave hate AND anti-grave hate?

[joemauer]

My LEDs are in the mail, I should receive them shortly.

I was wondering though, against Elves am I better off just siding in Iona and naming green or siding in Elesh? I assume either way, Elves is gonna have one hell of a time (if I can find them, that is). Or here comes another question, do we even need to side in something against Elves? A guy at my LGS plays Elves, so I was wondering.

If you have both, might as well side both in. If you land either it is probably gg versus elves.

Also, against the mirror, do I side in both grave hate AND anti-grave hate?

Sometimes.

[sherko7]

I would board Ghouls here too. Most of the times Stoneblades are on Surgicals. If needed you can bring your Claims G3 here. I would board similar to what I board against RUG Delver.

Most of the time they have no pressure, but can be pretty annoying with StP on your Ichorids.
Battlerskull can be problematic with counterbackup but normally you can just strip it from their hand after they tutored it with Mystic. I have a 1off Grudge which can be helpful too.

I am not very good in fighting Zombardement though. I just cannot decide if it is better to board nothing at all and race them, which should be pretty easy due to their creatures inability to block or if I should bring Ghouls for a more diverse threatbase and to counter Surgicals. But then again they sometimes surprise me with Leyline which sucks. It is not that its an unbeatable matchup but I feel pretty unconfortable with it. Thank god you do not meet those very often :-/

And I thankfully never met RiP/Helm Combo yet :> This will be not very funny to play against I guess...

Greetings Chris

I hate StP! And since I'm running quad laser Ichorid is there only target. Batterskull is not much of an issue for me if I have 3-4 Bridges in the yard (I'll just give birth to enough tokens to win in 1 attack).

I haven't played Zombardment so I cannot really comment, but it seems Leyline should be great against them.

There are already a couple of RiP/Helm and RiP Enchantress players in our meta, I'm getting a feeling that I might be paired against one of them next tourney

Mr. Froggy
My LEDs are in the mail, I should receive them shortly.

I was wondering though, against Elves am I better off just siding in Iona and naming green or siding in Elesh? I assume either way, Elves is gonna have one hell of a time (if I can find them, that is). Or here comes another question, do we even need to side in something against Elves? A guy at my LGS plays Elves, so I was wondering.

Also, against the mirror, do I side in both grave hate AND anti-grave hate?

I find its better off to simply outrace Elves. They're pretty easy to outrace (I know this for a fact as my brother is an Elf Combo player and we spar a lot). Therapy for Glimpse and GSZ and you should be fine. If you have the lone Darkblast MD, then you have the nuts right there as well.

If the Elves players is going the Ezuri / Mirror Entity aggro mode though, that could probably spell trouble if you're slow dredging.