[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils)

[SaberTooth]

so tes is now ant, and ant is... pift? (past in flames tendrils?)

[aaronm678]

so tes is now ant, and ant is... pift? (past in flames tendrils?)

ANT hasn't been an Ad Nauseam Deck since Mystical Tutor got banned, honestly. It's been much more similar to the old Iggy Pop decks.

[gregtron]

so tes is now ant, and ant is... pift? (past in flames tendrils?)

Seems like the deck names refer way more to the mana-bases than the cards used to find a win-con. These days, anyway.

[Koby]

Seems like the deck names refer way more to the mana-bases than the cards used to find a win-con. These days, anyway.

Thats a good observation and useful. Thanks for pointing it out. MYbe we can go back to calling it by its old name: Fetchland Tendrils!

[Lemnear]

Thats a good observation and useful. Thanks for pointing it out. MYbe we can go back to calling it by its old name: Fetchland Tendrils!

Would be smart if the Fetchland Tendrils Thread were not conquered by Doomsday lists

[Koby]

Would be smart if the Fetchland Tendrils Thread were not conquered by Doomsday lists

Fetchlands Tendrils != Doomsday Fetchland Tendrils

But I agree that it will be confusing.

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

Fetchlands Tendrils != Doomsday Fetchland Tendrils

But I agree that it will be confusing.

Just rename the Fetchland Tendrils thread "Doomsday."

Seriously.

[bennotsi]

I really can't stand it when people say that an ANT list with a few Burning Wishes should be called TES instead. There is so much more that defines TES as a fundamentally different deck than the mere use of Burning Wish. Like Lejay said TES is much more optimized towards having the best Ad Nauseams. With cheaper spells and much more initial mana sources, as well as having more ways to find Tendrils post Ad Nauseam. For similar reasons, TES is also much better at casting an early Empty the Warrens. ANT on the other hand is indeed designed to better utilize Ill-Gotten Gains and/or Past in Flames, and to do this often heavily depends on reaching theshold. I want to scratch out my eyes when I see Timo Schunemann's GP Gent list listed as a TES deck on TC Decks...

Fetchlands Tendrils is just a really old name. For what I think used to be the collection of Tendrils decks that use Cabal Ritual as an accelerant. If you really want to change something I suppose you could archive the thread and start a new one solely on Doomsday. But except for that the name of the thread might be slightly off, I don't really see the point in doing so.

[Lemnear]

Rainbow Lands + Rite of Flame + Chrome Mox = TES

Isn't too hard to differ imo. Card selection focuses on faster mana burst and less damage off Ad Nauseam. ANT post Mystical Tutor is geared towards longer games, tre.shold and classic spellchains.

[egosum]

I really can't stand it when people say that an ANT list with a few Burning Wishes should be called TES instead.

I said this many times in many different places, this version of the deck has been called T.N.T. since its inception (however there were different iterations of T.N.T., some with Rite of flame, some with cabal ritual, and some with both, see Liam's Kane old version, I can give a link). But it degenerate to A.N.T. for common use. Currently the term for A.N.T. is more suitable for the version.

It's a but confusing but I think that the proper terms for current tendrils storm version in the current format are:

-T.E.S. IT/BW/RoF/Chrome Mox/Ad Nauseam (centric)/Rainbow mana base (there are some 3-color versions of the deck but are usually called 3C-T.E.S. or UBR-T.E.S.)
-A.N.T. IT/Grim T/Cabal Ritual/PiF (centric)
-T.N.T. IT/BW/Cabal Ritual/PiF (centric)
-D.D.F.T. doomsday deck in any version the most regular one is 4 colored/White protection/BW
-Spanish Inquisition No Blue (just BG, with some BGr versions)/8x Draw 4/Belcher/1-2 Land (there are also different versions of SI, with Summoner's pact/without it...

Greetings,

Iñaki.-

P.S. I'd rather think that A.N.T. is a fine name for the current Grim Tutor iteration, because PiF-Tendrils should be used for those versions that were more UR with multiple PiF and Freeze that appeared. If I had to change the name though, I would suggest "Legacy Tutor Storm" (L.T.S.), or something similar, jsut because the tutors are the really important cards which aneables any of the engines the deck has to win.

[sauce]

can't it just be called "storm"? everyone knows what storm is. everyone also knows what belcher is. the intricacies of whether you get killed with a doomsday pile or a tendrils are pretty insignificant in my opinion.

[Koby]

can't it just be called "storm"? everyone knows what storm is. everyone also knows what belcher is. the intricacies of whether you get killed with a doomsday pile or a tendrils are pretty insignificant in my opinion.

They are small but not insignificant. Just like Miracles and Stoneblade can't be lumped into an archetype UW Control (as a supertype, sure). They are different decks and different tactics within the same basic shell. Similarly, Storm decks are the supertype, but don't necessarily give you much information about the composition of the deck.

FWIW, I think the best build going forward for this deck is Grim Tutor versions - let's call this Cabal ANT. It maximizes the acceleration from Cabal Ritual without getting choked on red mana. The TNT lists that use Rite of Flames might also be half a turn faster, but lose out on Tutor-chaining that Cabal ANT can manage.

[aaronm678]

can't it just be called "storm"? everyone knows what storm is. everyone also knows what belcher is. the intricacies of whether you get killed with a doomsday pile or a tendrils are pretty insignificant in my opinion.

Just because all of the decks generally kill with some a card and run Dark Ritual/Lion's Eye Diamond and Cantrips does not mean they play similarly at all, and they have pretty different strengths/weaknesses as well.

Just for an example on the DTB forum - there's a reason BUG has been split into two threads, even though they run 60%+ the same cards. ANT is more similar to the "controlly" build, it wants to take most decks into the late game, as the discard, basics, and high land count give it inevitability. TES is more of an Aggro build, and against most decks, it wants to kill the opponent before they can prepare for it.

[Zombie]

Random question, I've got proxies for Carsten's "Cabal ANT" list from the Storm Experience articles. Any fine-tuning that should be made to it to make it "proper", esp. maindeck? Looking to have a full-proxy Legacy deck for fun games on the side, my bank account would wring my neck if I ever got the deck for real. (hundreds of euros for 12 lands... deargodwhy.jpg)

Also, any advice mindset-wise? I'm pretty much clueless on Legacy Storm, though I'm competent with Storm in Pauper and play a tutor-heavy GBW Hulk combo deck in Highlander (!=EDH).

[Mon,Goblin Chief]

Random question, I've got proxies for Carsten's "Cabal ANT" list from the Storm Experience articles. Any fine-tuning that should be made to it to make it "proper", esp. maindeck? Looking to have a full-proxy Legacy deck for fun games on the side, my bank account would wring my neck if I ever got the deck for real. (hundreds of euros for 12 lands... deargodwhy.jpg)

Also, any advice mindset-wise? I'm pretty much clueless on Legacy Storm, though I'm competent with Storm in Pauper and play a tutor-heavy GBW Hulk combo deck in Highlander (!=EDH).

I've switched to Inaki's list since (-2 Preordain + Grim + Therapy) and forced the EtW into the sideboard.

As for mindset, it's quite different from Pauper Storm. You're a combo-control deck against most types of combo and similarly try to grind out blue decks (rip their hand apart with discard, kill them with Will uhm, I mean PiF). Obviously you can still kill people on the spot if the option shows itself thanks to Probe. You try to goldfish everybody without countermagic.
Kills (in order of preference): Tutor-chain, PiF, AdN.

Hope that helps, enjoy the deck :)

[SaberTooth]

well but maybe a new name will be fun... "the p.i.t"? (past in tendrils) XDDD

[Sloshthedark]

I like the Fetchlands Tendrils vs. DDFT idea ... FT is exactly what the deck is about and intricate enough to not sound cheap, UBx storm is also fine

Edit: well, Grimflames Fullmoon UBeR Ant is what I usually fill the decklists with...

[MTG Junkie]

Iv always liked ANT in Flames,been calling it that for a while now.

[Uranium]

I'm playing a completely standard list, but considering switching the 3x BW to 2x Grim Tutor + 1 more card. What do you guys think of a singleton Intuition? I know that it's weak to Surgical Extraction/Extirpate, but if you're running the Probe-Therapy build you can make sure that it's safe. You can also play around the Surgical by getting redundant rituals and tutors. It's almost a single-card storm engine (search for 2x rituals, PiF). Or if it's late in the combo, search for ritual, PiF, Tutor.

Imagine this 4-card hand: Dark Ritual, Grim Tutor, 2x LED. You have 2x Underground Sea in play. You can mini-Tendrils or try to get lucky with Ad Nauseam but it's not a sure kill.

Now imagine: Dark Ritual, Intuition, 2x LED. Same lands. Rit -> LED -> LED -> Intuition, crack LEDs for R/U (floating RRRUUUB), get CRit, Infernal Tutor, PiF. Opponent chooses:
PiF in hand: PiF (floating UUB) -> CRit -> Rit -> Tutor -> Tutor -> Tendrils
CRit in hand: CRit (floating RRRUUBBBBB) -> FB PiF (floating UBBBB) -> CRit -> Rit -> Tutor -> Tendrils
Tutor in hand: Tutor (floating RRRUU) get LED -> LED for black -> FB PiF (floating UBB) -> CRit -> Rit -> Tutor -> Tendrils

All of these chains leave U floating at all times leaving the option to FB Intuition for more business if necessary. If you already have Infernal Tutor in hand (and can get Hellbent), Intuition for 3x CRit sets up a lethal Tendrils - you will have threshold off the 2 in the yard, and then when you tutor for PiF you will have massive storm and mana. Hand full of mana + Intuition? Get CRit, PiF, Tendrils.

Or what about 1x Meditate instead? It's a bit less reliable on the combo turn because you probably can't cast it until after ritualing, and at that point you could just fizzle. I'm leery of D4s in general for that reason. However, it is very strong to grind against blue decks - cast on their EOT and then go off with 11 cards in hand. Also a strong play in response to a Hymn to Tourach.

[Sloshthedark]

tried that instead of 2nd Grim Tutor some time ago but did no like it much, thanks for reminding, I may revise the idea now