[Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

[Koby]

I seem to run into issues where I cam sitting on a ton of lands and a burning wish. Is the correct play diminishing returns here? At a recent 5k my opponents yard was 3 thoughtseize 3 daze 4 fow and I was all in on a burning wish. I really hated to play returns here just to lose all my progress at killing his disruption.

That's a crappy situation to be in. Reforge the Soul would have worked here. Unfortunately, you can't anticipate those situations when you're constructing your deck. DReturns is generally better as a storm enabler. Like Ari Lax and Bryant have mentioned in their storm article and the OP, respectively, don't wait until the last minute to cast DReturns.

[Bryant Cook]

Did I miss something or was Past in Flames an option?

[Koby]

Did I miss something or was Past in Flames an option?

My assumption here is that those were already exhausted, based on what is in the yard.

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

...opponents yard was 3 thoughtseize 3 daze 4 fow and I was all in on a burning wish. I really hated to play returns here just to lose all my progress at killing his disruption.

I don't see a real problem here. Three sorceries and four copies of Force of Will.

Draw seven -- chant him -- kill him.

Am I missing something?

[Bryant Cook]

My assumption here is that those were already exhausted, based on what is in the yard.

Could be, it's tough to analyze a situation without all of the details.

Kirby, rough day?

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

Kirby, rough day?

Need another vacation aka GP Denver, though I don't really consider tournaments relaxing.

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

Double post, weeee.

Karakas is pretty bad. The only decks that play Karakas + Hatebear also play Wasteland (Maverick/Junk/Death-and-Taxes). If they draw a Wasteland (or Karakas) alongside their hatebear, which is VERY likely -- you're screwed.

Did some sets against these decks and wanted Chain of Vapor every time.

Against those decks Karakas is a sorcery speed bounce spell that won't always hit. When it's good, it's because you got lucky, but we can easily just win one turn one or hit with good therapies.

[Bryant Cook]

What are people's thoughts on the Hull Breach/Shattering Spree/etc. slot?

I'm not sure which would be better for the deck Breach or Spree? Also, are either even needed? If not, what would take their spot?

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

What are people's thoughts on the Hull Breach/Shattering Spree/etc. slot?

I'm not sure which would be better for the deck Breach or Spree? Also, are either even needed? If not, what would take their spot?

It's probably the third Chain of Vapor (maybe a Pyroclasm).

[AriLax]

What are people's thoughts on the Hull Breach/Shattering Spree/etc. slot?

I'm not sure which would be better for the deck Breach or Spree? Also, are either even needed? If not, what would take their spot?

I actually don't think I've Wished for that slot in quite a while, but I'm pretty sure that Enchantress + Leyline of Sanctity are both things I want a Wishable answer to. The only time I would want Spree is against Thorn out of Goblins or something similar where the 1 mana could make a difference vs. Wasteland or Port played the turn after I Wish, at which point I've already altered my deck to handle Thorn

Of course, I would rather have Revoke Existence than Hull Breach. I would rather be able to tap an Underground Sea to cast the spell as I honestly can't think of a real scenario I want to use both sides of Hull Breach. The best I've got is Belcher has Leyline and also slams a Belcher w/o the ability to kill on one.

[Bryant Cook]

I'm currently playing Spree but may switch back to Breach. I see myself casting Pyroclasm a significant amount of times less than either of the other two cards.

I've destroyed Canonist and Rest in Peace with Breach before. Both were relevant.

I don't like posting from my phone. Stupid work filters.

[RaNDoMxGeSTuReS]

I'm currently playing Spree but may switch back to Breach. I see myself casting Pyroclasm a significant amount of times less than either of the other two cards.

I've destroyed Canonist and Rest in Peace with Breach before. Both were relevant.

I don't like posting from my phone. Stupid work filters.

My work doesn't block The Source, but blocks most PBS websites.

[phazonmutant]

What are people's thoughts on the Hull Breach/Shattering Spree/etc. slot?

I'm not sure which would be better for the deck Breach or Spree? Also, are either even needed? If not, what would take their spot?

Played against white Stax today and forgot to board in Chain, so of course he dropped Leyline of Sanctity t0. Wished for Spree to kill his 3sphere and some other junk, but ended up having to make 30some goblins and pass because I couldn't blow up the Leyline. Hull Breach would have been great. I would have lost a Gemstone mine on 1 to make G, but not a big deal. Obviously it was a mistake to not board in Chain, but there is some comfort in knowing that I have an answer to Enchantments even g1.

Also played against Aggro Loam, boarded in the Grapeshot for the Empty after seeing Pulse main like Bryant suggested, and it was pretty awesome. Drew it and killed a couple creatures (Bob and Deathrite), bought myself like 3 turns, enough to kill him.

[BrettF]

Hi. First time poster but long follower of this thread.

Anyone see this preview card?
http://media.wizards.com/images/magi...t6jxefc_01.png

better than DimR on turn 1~ wishable slithermuse.

[Vacrix]

No, its not better than Dreturns on turn 1.

How do you suppose your going to Burning Wish into UB? With LED? LED only produces three mana of one color. It doesn't belong in TES or ANT for that matter. Its difficult to produce UB after Infernal Tutor or Burning Wish often enough to want to play this card.

[alekill]

Hi. First time poster but long follower of this thread.

Anyone see this preview card?
http://media.wizards.com/images/magi...t6jxefc_01.png

better than DimR on turn 1~ wishable slithermuse.

I think that diminishing returns usually does the same thing but is easier to cast. The exile part of diminishing returns is a problem sometimes but I think the ease of casting still outweighs that.

[Asthereal]

The biggest problem with that new Windfall is that we don't reliably get seven cards out of it. After turn two we will on average get four cards, which usually isn't enough to continue the combo to a lethal Tendrils. Returns stays, I'm afraid.

[joemauer]

What are people's thoughts on the Hull Breach/Shattering Spree/etc. slot?

I'm not sure which would be better for the deck Breach or Spree? Also, are either even needed? If not, what would take their spot?

I would pick Hull Breach for it's flexibility. The only time I want to kill multiple artifacts is against something like MUD or Stax, but it seems whenever I need spree against those types of decks then there are too many hurdles preventing me from getting and casting it: CotV, Lodestone Golem, and Trinisphere.

I kind of wish there was something that could get rid of anything like a Vindicate for two mana, namely creatures as well.

Also, I think a one of land in the sideboard is a good idea since we dropped the land count by one. I don't know if it should be Tropical Island(to cast AD) or Karakas(it can randomly win games), but with having Karakas in the SB I have found some matches where an extra land is quite nice.

[Megadeus]

I would pick Hull Breach for it's flexibility. The only time I want to kill multiple artifacts is against something like MUD or Stax, but it seems whenever I need spree against those types of decks then there are too many hurdles preventing me from getting and casting it: CotV, Lodestone Golem, and Trinisphere.

I kind of wish there was something that could get rid of anything like a Vindicate for two mana, namely creatures as well.

Also, I think a one of land in the sideboard is a good idea since we dropped the land count by one. I don't know if it should be Tropical Island(to cast AD) or Karakas(it can randomly win games), but with having Karakas in the SB I have found some matches where an extra land is quite nice.

I know it isnt wishable but Abrupt Decay is 2 mana kill anything

[joemauer]

I know it isn't wishable but Abrupt Decay is 2 mana kill almost anything

Fixed that for you.

Having a wishable answer to artifacts and/or enchantments is a good 'Oh Shit' button to have.