No love for the Mono W Stax after the unban of Land Tax?
Chalice of the void in deck > land tax in deck, though one could argue you could play around your own chalice, then the second problem becomes adding in more basic lands, since the deck already runs mishra's factory, wasteland, ancient tomb, city of traitors, mox diamond, flagstones of troikar, and then some plains after those 24 mana producing cards.
Last edited by feline; 08-12-2012 at 04:58 PM.
Primary legacy deck High Tide primer
Chalice on 1 and Land tax are antisynergistic but Land Tax is best in early turns anyway. So in theory if you open with Land Tax you try to abuse it first then can lock the game down with Chalice after your draw your cards. If you open up with Chalice turn 1 Land Tax becomes dead but could still take place in the deck for the match ups where you don't need Chalice on 1. Also about the manabase, do you need that many non-colored lands? The White Stax lists on salvation, the dutch stax lists run quite a number of basic plains as well omitting manlands etc.
Land Tax is not for this deck.
I think it is more suited for land edge or loam type decks.
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I suppose the less traditional part of my build is that I don't maindeck Oblivion Ring and instead use Tangle wire, Oblivion ring helps with some things, Tangle wire help's with other things, and for my meta's the Tangle wire is going further, though the Oblivion ring would have helped in the matchup that was a loss, the Show & Tell deck, not having Tangle wire would have meant loosing to the RUG deck the previous round, it helps alot against RUG and the Oblivion ring is only a 1 for 1.
Primary legacy deck High Tide primer
This might be a bit of a necro, so I apologize. Having most of the parts from MUD stompy, can anyone post a recent Armageddon Stax list that I can work off of? I'd appreciate it.
Originally Posted by Jack Burton
Yes actually, this is one of the decks I follow regularly:
Though this first list is listed as a "Mono White Prison" deck:
October-28th-2012 - Jacob Lombas - StarCityGames.com Legacy Open - New Orleans - 15 of 91 players
http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...4&iddeck=68831
4 Enlightened Tutor
3 Humility
3 Moat
3 Oblivion Ring
1 Karn Liberated
3 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Batterskull
1 Expedition Map
1 Zuran Orb
3 Chalice of the Void
3 Crucible of Worlds
3 Scroll Rack
3 Trinisphere
4 Mox Diamond
1 Ancient Den
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Karakas
3 City of Traitors
3 Flagstones of Trokair
3 Mishra's Factory
3 Wasteland
4 Ancient Tomb
6 Plains
~SB
2 Brittle Effigy
1 Expedition Map
1 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Pithing Needle
3 Leyline of Sanctity
3 Armageddon
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Maze of Ith
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
May-13th-2012 - Hannes Knabe-paulsen - Iserlohner Magic-Treff - 5 of 68 players
http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...1&iddeck=60643
2 Baneslayer Angel
3 Magus of the Tabernacle
4 Armageddon
2 Oblivion Ring
4 Ghostly Prison
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Crucible of Worlds
4 Mox Diamond
4 Smokestack
4 Trinisphere
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
2 Mishra's Factory
2 Savannah
3 Plains
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
4 Flagstones of Trokair
4 Wasteland
~SB
3 Choke
2 Cursed Totem
1 Karmic Justice
1 Moat
1 Rule of Law
2 Sphere of Law
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
3 Tormod's Crypt
1 Torpor Orb
December-4th-2011 - Zack Strait - StarCityGames.com Legacy Open - St. Louis - 13 of 277 players
http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...8&iddeck=52898
3 Hero of Bladehold
4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Armageddon
3 Ghostly Prison
3 Oblivion Ring
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Lightning Greaves
2 Crucible of Worlds
2 Trinisphere
3 Batterskull
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Mox Diamond
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
1 Mishra's Factory
3 City of Traitors
3 Flagstones of Trokair
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Wasteland
9 Plains
~SB
1 Batterskull
3 Tormod's Crypt
1 Trinisphere
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Ghostly Prison
1 Decree of Justice
3 Wrath of God
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
As one can see though, the success of the deck is few & far between, these 3 lists span over almost a year, though smaller tournaments (like 20-30 person tourneys) also have some successful lists, noted from here: http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/tip...&format=Legacy
Last edited by feline; 12-01-2012 at 08:02 PM.
Primary legacy deck High Tide primer
I haven't posted on this thread in a while, but it may be a good time to revamp a deck list. As inconsistent of a deck that it may be, CotV can be very devastating for most tier one decks. I run them in the SB of Lands, but to main deck these against BUG/RUG Delver, Spiral Tide, StoneBlade variants, you could really "luck sack" your way into top 8ing one of these star city events. I did play Stax for 2.5 years in 2006-2009, and it did some impressive stuff. I always had a problem finishing the games thought, since I ran 3 Magus of the Tabernacle, 3 Factory, and a random beater, but has anyone put thought into Rest in Peace/Helm of Obedience? I understand that Crucible is a big part of the deck, but has anyone toyed around with an updated Stax deck utilizing this combo?
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Have people found if the 'quad laser' version (4's of CoW, Chalice, Trini, Stack, etc.) performs better, or if the versions incorporating Dutch elements has worked for them? Guess I'm looking for some of people's personal dealings. I was leaning more towards just the 4-of version myself, but I've been busy as of late to throw something together.
I've been running a version that somehow just has 4 of's all the way down the list, including 4 plains, was able to go 4 wins 0 losses at a local tourney this past Sunday, final round was against an Esperblade deck, which got a game 2 off me but I still managed to win the match, eventually locking them out from doing much with trinisphere, chalice of the void at 1 and another at 2, crucible of worlds, and wastelands against any non basics.
Primary legacy deck High Tide primer
I was running an all 4 ofs list, but recently I made a switch of -1 Stack, -1 Trini, -1 O. Ring to try out +3 Suppression Field. Not sure if I like it yet or how much I can kinda ignore the symmetrical effect. Got some extra Christmas money that escaped the bills brigade, so I'll probably pick up the few pieces I'm missing.
@Feline: Can you PM or post your list. Perhaps for brainstorming purposes?
Edit: Also, what're some ideas on SB? I think I'll have some Stoneblade, Maverick, Reanimator, maybe some fish. I was thinking some amount of Leylines, Uba Mask, maybe the 4th Trini, Stack, and Ring. Hana's Custody, Cursed Totem, or Wrath.
Last edited by Anarky87; 12-28-2012 at 03:54 PM.
4 Plains
4 Flagstones of trokair
4 Mox diamond
4 Ancient tomb
4 City of traitors
4 Wasteland
4 Mishra's factory
4 Chalice of the void
4 Trinisphere
4 Crucible of worlds
4 Smokestack
4 Ghostly prison
4 Magus of the tabernacle
4 Humility
4 Armageddon
[Sideboard]
4 Tormod's crypt
4 Leyline of sanctity
4 Stony Silence
3 Oblivion ring
Before Humility, I was running Tangle wire, and before Tangle wire I was running Oblivion ring's maindeck.
Primary legacy deck High Tide primer
Doesnt humility make magus not work?
Hill Giant means business.
Correct it becomes a 1/1 with both out.
Primary legacy deck High Tide primer
Humility seems very bad in the deck, shutting off Magus. Do you ever get land screwed? I find that 25 lands is pushing it...
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It seems that with humility dutch stax is just a better idea.
Hill Giant means business.
Has anyone tested Sun Titan to see if it's viable in the meta? I'd love it to be. Here's a rough idea for a build, but I haven't tested it because I'm working on another deck right now:
6 Plains
4 Flagstones of Trokair
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
1 Karakas
2 Wasteland
4 Mox Diamond
2 Chrome Mox
2 Aven Mindcensor
4 Magus of the Tabernacle
4 Sun Titan
4 Exalted Angel
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Tangle Wire
3 Trinisphere
4 Suppression Field (???)
4 Cataclysm
I want to SB the Fields and put in an efficient fattie, but I haven't come up with one yet. Maybe Stoneforge and Batterskull with one more equip. Like I said, this list has been sitting in my box because I haven't been able to test it yet, but I wanted to get an idea of what other finishers the deck could run. I'm not sold on Hero of Bladehold for this, because Batterskull and Goyf eat that dude up, ugh.
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After a few iterations, the list I've landed on is thus:
5 Plains
4 Flagstones of Trokair
4 Wasteland
4 Mishra's Factory
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
4 Mox Diamond
4 Crucible of Worlds
4 Smokestack
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Trinisphere
4 Ghostly Prison
4 Oblivion Ring
4 Magus of the Tabernacle
I was running 3 Suppression Fields, but got tired of how they would sometimes hamstring my own gameplan with Wastes and Factories. Maybe a SB choice, not sure yet. Also, I added in an extra plains as I started to see myself coming up tight on mana in games.
I have most of the pieces of this deck except for Magus but getting that shouldn't be an issue.
I am wondering on what are the good and bad matchups of this deck, also if I should even other trading for a forth Crucible and a playset of Magus.
I am convinced that WotC is "dumbing" the game because of all the stupid posts they come across on MTG-related forums
The deck has a weakness to Jace and Show and Tell decks.
This deck can be strong against almost any deck, depending on die roll and your hand.
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