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    Please do! It's always interesting to see splashes, especially those that did well.

    Also, sweet avatar, dude. Haven't used any *buntus in a while, but Linux is Linux!

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    Haha, thanks. I haven't used Linux too much lately because of school (I'm just too lazy to install MS Office on my virtualized Windows)... but I'm looking to get back into it more soon :)

    Anyway here's my list:

    4 Deathrite Shaman
    4 Mother of Runes
    4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    4 Dark Confidant
    3 Knight of the Reliquary
    2 Scryb Ranger
    1 Scavenging Ooze
    1 Mirran Crusader
    1 Qasali Pridemage
    1 Gaddock Teeg
    4 Green Sun's Zenith
    4 Swords to Plowshares
    1 Umezawa's Jitte
    1 Abrupt Decay
    1 Garruk Relentless
    4 Windswept Heath
    3 Verdant Catacombs
    3 Savannah
    3 Bayou
    1 Scrubland
    4 Wasteland
    1 Karakas
    1 Maze of Ith
    1 Dryad Arbor
    1 Forest
    1 Plains
    1 Cavern of Souls

    SB:
    2 Armageddon
    3 Thoughtseize
    2 Abrupt Decay
    1 Qasali Pridemage
    1 Nihil Spellbomb
    1 Gaddock Teeg
    1 Sylvan Safekeeper
    1 Bojuka Bog
    1 Umezawa's Jitte
    1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
    1 Path to Exile

    Swapped the 4th Knight for 1 Mirran Crusader last minute; figured that with so many Abrupt Decays going around, and Deathrite Shamans, Knight wouldn't be that great. Crusader doesn't care about those cards at all. The lack of Exalted with using Deathrites over Nobles and only one Pridemage main could hurt a little bit though.

    I don't expect anyone to agree with the 2 Scryb Rangers, but I just like having both of them. I've played Maverick for awhile and I just feel weird not having two in the deck. Feel free to disagree, it's just a personal preference.

    Also, Armageddon. Probably the reason why I still play this deck -- I put one copy of it a couple months ago as a joke but now I'm seriously playing two copies of it. It's just so good against the durdly decks that it's not even funny. In the Last Chance Grinders I played against the Helm of Obedience deck and still beat him through a Humility and only three creatures in play because I Armageddon'd when he had four basic lands in play and a fetch land.

    Matchups:

    Round 1 - W Bye

    Round 2 - W Reanimator 2-0. He goes for Reanimate -> Iona game 1, but loses when Mom + Thalia + Deathrite beat him for 2 a turn when he's at 9. Game 2 I get out 2 Knights and use Karakas to bounce his Jin-Gitaxias and Elesh Norn to win.

    Round 3 - L Burn 0-2. I faced this guy in the Last Chance Grinders the night before and beat him. But I got color screwed game 1 and Game 2 kept a hand of all removal when he drew no creatures.

    Round 4 - W UR Delver 2-0. We both keep a 1 lander round 1 (lol) but I manage to draw into a 2nd land -> Thalia and Wasteland his top decked Volcanic Island. Game 2 I draw 3 Abrupt Decays for his two Delvers and Goblin Guides.

    Round 5 - W WBg Stoneblade (splashing G for Deathrite). Game 1 I get smashed by Liliana and Lingering Souls. Game 2 I don't really remember, but I won. Game 3 I get out Elspeth, Thalia, Pridemage and Scavenging Ooze and he gets out Batterskull and still has Jitte in hand. Time has already been called; it's been a very, very long match. He taps out for a Perish and I respond by killing his Batterskull with the Pridemage -- because of the grindy match, he forgot that Pridemage was in play.

    Round 6 - L 0-2 UW RiP Miracles - Unfortunately, I did not see Armageddon. Game 1 I got smashed with maindeck Humility and Game 2 I mull to 5 with one land.

    Round 7 - L 0-2 BUG Nic Fit. Nic Fit is just a bad matchup because of its inevitability. Maze of Ith was good to stall though, but I can't do much when he Thragtusks me like six times across the match (and that's not including the infinite combo he pulled off in game 1). He's a cool guy though so it was more funny than mad or anything haha.

    Round 8 - W 2-0 4-color Maverick. It's a GWbu Maverick deck with Deathrite & Noble for acceleration, and Brainstorm and Jace. It probably looked like a typical 4 color control deck but it ran Scryb Ranger and Green Sun's Zenith as well. I win g1 through a Knight and g2 with double Deathrite keeping Knights small.

    So 5-3 for Day 1. I ended up playing Round 8 even though I had no chance to Day 2 because my brother was in contention for Day 2 so I figured I'd just play the last round.

    Pros:
    - Abrupt Decay -- I boarded both in my sideboard in almost every matchup.
    - Armageddon! Okay I didn't cast it at all on Day 1 but Armageddon in the Last Chance Grinders was pretty epic (and I hate using that word). Quoth my opponent after the match: "Fuck Armageddon." In my testing, Armageddon was pretty much game over if it resolved against Miracles. Even if you don't have a Knight in play.
    - Thoughtseize. I didn't use it much at GP Denver, but in my testing I felt a lot more comfortable with discard. Coming from GW Maverick it's a different experience to have to write down my opponent's hand :P
    - I flipped a Gaddock Teeg against my Round 8 opponent on a Dark Confidant and then we both commented "Oh, that seems useless". I played it anyway to attack with it, then next turn he tries to drop Jace but then I point out Gaddock Teeg in play. Nothing game breaking, just funny.
    - I didn't make any obvious punts. Of course I made mistakes but nothing that caused me to face palm.
    - No Storm decks today! Or Dredge!
    - The splash was definitely worth it. It sort of makes the matchup against Burn worse (the loss Round 3 was the first loss to burn with Maverick I've had in a very, very long time). But I like Confidant, Abrupt Decay, and Thoughtseize. I'm not as infatuated with Deathrite as everyone else was, but he's still pretty good.

    Cons
    - No way to deal with Humility. If I play Maverick again (I think it might be time for me to move on for now) I'd probably swap a Thoughtseize for a K-Grip.
    - Sometimes colors were awkward. I had some hands that were all white cards and only Bayous in play and things like that.
    - Dark Confidant only drew me like 10 cards across the whole day. That's probably a high estimate. It's not that Confidant is bad, it's just that they killed him every time I played him.

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    Re: [DTB] GW/x Maverick

    Mirran Crusader is a good choice. I would run a minimum of 2 in the current metagame.
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    Re: [DTB] GW/x Maverick

    Since Legacy has alot of Modern influence creaping in how about taking a page from Kiblers GW meta hate and look at Wilt-Leaf Liege? The card has a ton of upside for the deck, dodges discard, can't be abrupt decayed, has a 4 toughness rear end to stay out of bolt range and helps offset engineered plague(if your opponent chooses to bring it in). I find its pump ability very relevant with the format going very midrange. Looking at him as a 2-3 of right now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by conley1000000 View Post
    Since Legacy has alot of Modern influence creaping in how about taking a page from Kiblers GW meta hate and look at Wilt-Leaf Liege? The card has a ton of upside for the deck, dodges discard, can't be abrupt decayed, has a 4 toughness rear end to stay out of bolt range and helps offset engineered plague(if your opponent chooses to bring it in). I find its pump ability very relevant with the format going very midrange. Looking at him as a 2-3 of right now...
    This seems like a good idea. would combo really well with naya hushblade

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironclad8690 View Post
    This seems like a good idea. would combo really well with naya hushblade
    I'm going to pretend that says Qasali Pridemage...

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    How come people are not shifting the deck to PFM. Jund uses the PF route for their mirror and BUG

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    Quote Originally Posted by KobeBryan View Post
    How come people are not shifting the deck to PFM. Jund uses the PF route for their mirror and BUG
    I already have, I'm just assuming everyone else is slower to adapt. PF + Mindcensor is the shit.

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    Kindly post the new version of the punishing maverick build used now.
    In light of this... Thalia is the card were gonna replace with the punishing fires right?

    A decklist would be much appreciated and a tourney report if ever! Thanks and go Maverick!!

    Also, i understand the reemergence of Punishing maverick...but whats the Mindcensor for?

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    Thalia and PFires aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. They are just good against decks that the other isn't.
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    Re: [DTB] GW/x Maverick

    Quote Originally Posted by IL_casual View Post
    Kindly post the new version of the punishing maverick build used now.
    In light of this... Thalia is the card were gonna replace with the punishing fires right?

    A decklist would be much appreciated and a tourney report if ever! Thanks and go Maverick!!

    Also, i understand the reemergence of Punishing maverick...but whats the Mindcensor for?
    Haven't you noticed that people are running 10 fetches in a deck now to support a 3 color deck? Thats what mindcensor is for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KobeBryan View Post
    Haven't you noticed that people are running 10 fetches in a deck now to support a 3 color deck? Thats what mindcensor is for.
    Also, I'm guessing, tutors?

    As for removing Thalia, did I miss where people stopped playing combo?

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    Re: [DTB] GW/x Maverick

    Quote Originally Posted by matunos View Post
    Also, I'm guessing, tutors?

    As for removing Thalia, did I miss where people stopped playing combo?
    No but the majority of the meta isnt combo at the moment. Paying 3 for PF isnt very attractive.
    IMO Thalia would be sb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conley1000000 View Post
    No but the majority of the meta isnt combo at the moment. Paying 3 for PF isnt very attractive.
    IMO Thalia would be sb.
    Someone should next level these guys and take a combo deck to the top 8.

    Thats what they get for running so much jund

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    Re: [DTB] GW/x Maverick

    If you cut Thalia from the main, your overall combo matchup is going to be very weak as you'll basically be conceding game 1. This means your post-board plan has to be like 70-80 to win to be able to eke out a 50/50 matchup.

    That may still be the correct plan, but be advised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KobeBryan View Post
    Someone should next level these guys and take a combo deck to the top 8.

    Thats what they get for running so much jund
    That's what it's going to come to. Jund will run out all the decks that can keep combo in check and then it'll just run all over...

    So I sat down and tried to brew a hybrid...here's what I came up with

    Punishing Maverick(61)

    Creatures(23)
    1 Birds of Paradise
    4 Knight of the Reliquary
    4 Mother of Runes
    3 Noble Hierarch
    2 Qasali Pridemage
    2 Scavenging Ooze
    3 Stoneforge Mystic
    1 Gaddock Teeg
    3 Thalia, Gaurdian of Thraben

    Sorcery (4)
    4 Green Sun Zenith

    Instant (7)
    4 Swords to Plowshares
    3 Punishing Fire

    Artifacts(3)
    1 Sword of Feast and Famine
    1 Sword of Light and Shadow
    1 Umezawa's Jitte

    Enchantment (1)
    1 Sylvan Library

    Land (23)
    1 Dryad Arbor
    1 Forest
    3 Grove of the Burnwillows
    1 Karakas
    1 Maze of Ith
    2 Misty Rainforest
    1 Plains
    1 Plateau
    4 Savannah
    1 Taiga
    3 Wasteland
    4 Windswept Heath

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    Quote Originally Posted by conley1000000 View Post
    That's what it's going to come to. Jund will run out all the decks that can keep combo in check and then it'll just run all over...

    So I sat down and tried to brew a hybrid...here's what I came up with

    Punishing Maverick(61)

    Creatures(23)
    1 Birds of Paradise
    4 Knight of the Reliquary
    4 Mother of Runes
    3 Noble Hierarch
    2 Qasali Pridemage
    2 Scavenging Ooze
    3 Stoneforge Mystic
    1 Gaddock Teeg
    3 Thalia, Gaurdian of Thraben

    Sorcery (4)
    4 Green Sun Zenith

    Instant (7)
    4 Swords to Plowshares
    3 Punishing Fire

    Artifacts(3)
    1 Sword of Feast and Famine
    1 Sword of Light and Shadow
    1 Umezawa's Jitte

    Enchantment (1)
    1 Sylvan Library

    Land (23)
    1 Dryad Arbor
    1 Forest
    3 Grove of the Burnwillows
    1 Karakas
    1 Maze of Ith
    2 Misty Rainforest
    1 Plains
    1 Plateau
    4 Savannah
    1 Taiga
    3 Wasteland
    4 Windswept Heath
    This is pretty close to what I'm running:

    4 Path to Exile
    3 Punishing Fire
    2 Sylvan Library
    4 Green Sun's Zenith
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    4 Mother of Runes
    1 Sylvan Safekeeper
    1 Gaddock Teeg
    4 Knight of the Reliquary
    3 Aven Mindcensor
    3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    2 Qasali Pridemage
    1 Scavenging Ooze
    1 Scryb Ranger
    4 Noble Hierarch
    24

    3 Grove of the Burnwillows
    4 Windswept Heath
    2 Misty Rainforest
    4 Savannah
    1 Karakas
    3 Forest
    1 Plains
    4 Wasteland
    1 Dryad Arbor
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    Path because no one is playing basics anyway, and less Thalia because you're running Fires, but not mutually exclusive. Mindcensor just nutkicks all those decks running 10 Fetches, and combos well with Path to Exile.

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    Re: [DTB] GW/x Maverick

    Quote Originally Posted by sdematt View Post
    This is pretty close to what I'm running:

    4 Path to Exile
    3 Punishing Fire
    2 Sylvan Library
    4 Green Sun's Zenith
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    4 Mother of Runes
    1 Sylvan Safekeeper
    1 Gaddock Teeg
    4 Knight of the Reliquary
    3 Aven Mindcensor
    3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    2 Qasali Pridemage
    1 Scavenging Ooze
    1 Scryb Ranger
    4 Noble Hierarch
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    3 Grove of the Burnwillows
    4 Windswept Heath
    2 Misty Rainforest
    4 Savannah
    1 Karakas
    3 Forest
    1 Plains
    4 Wasteland
    1 Dryad Arbor
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    Path because no one is playing basics anyway, and less Thalia because you're running Fires, but not mutually exclusive. Mindcensor just nutkicks all those decks running 10 Fetches, and combos well with Path to Exile.

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    Re: [DTB] GW/x Maverick

    Quote Originally Posted by sdematt View Post
    Path because no one is playing basics anyway, and less Thalia because you're running Fires, but not mutually exclusive. Mindcensor just nutkicks all those decks running 10 Fetches, and combos well with Path to Exile.

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    I still like the synergy between StP -> trigger Punishing Fire. Life gain never stopped this deck before, and only in the case of opposing KotR or Sylvan Library has the the life gain ever mattered. It's too cute to get the Aven Mindcensor / PtE going -- precisely because you want the PtE against aggro, where Mindcensor is weak.
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    Re: [DTB] GW/x Maverick

    Quote Originally Posted by Koby View Post
    I still like the synergy between StP -> trigger Punishing Fire. Life gain never stopped this deck before, and only in the case of opposing KotR or Sylvan Library has the the life gain ever mattered. It's too cute to get the Aven Mindcensor / PtE going -- precisely because you want the PtE against aggro, where Mindcensor is weak.
    Do you think that Pun Fire and Thalia can coexist MB in a deck looking to punish the cost of spells/mana and remove low toughness creatures to save STP for there big creatures i.e. jund and bug delver?

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