Modern Banned List

[phonics]

I can understand the BBE ban, because it offers too much CA für an already great and dominating deck. But destroying an archetype because they don't want "Turn 3 Kills" is a fan service to White Weenie players...

They should be unbanning things to make other decks stronger instead of nerfing the decks that are dominant in the format. No one likes playing with neutered decks.

[Koby]

They should be unbanning things to make other decks stronger instead of nerfing the decks that are dominant in the format. No one likes playing with neutered decks.

There's an alternative for people who like playing unneutered formats. It's called Legacy :trollface:

[socialite]

The bitching makes little sense to me. Neither ban crushes the associated archetypes. Jund is fucking everywhere and while its not nearly unbeatable its omnipresence makes for a stale format. I found the explanation very reasonable.

[Megadeus]

But whats the point of Seething Songs ban? I understand BBE (a little bit anyway), but Song? Its a bad ritual... Im in the side the believes that WOTC pretty much just gave in to the whining about losing to a combo deck. A turn 3 combo gives more than enough time to find an answer. If you are playing Mono Green with no deck manipulation or something else that cant handle combo, then your deck better be fucking awesome vs non combo decks or else the problem isnt the combo deck, its your god awful deck.

[socialite]

My guess is one of two things. WotC did not like a cheap to build combo deck based around the Storm mechanic trolling the swiss in large numbers or there's an incoming print that just breaks it. Both are probably wrong.

[Megadeus]

It is a large percent of the meta but its not like it was dominant. They basically are just showing how much they hate the storm mechanic. They are attempting to destroy it without just blatantly banning it. I doubt they would print something to make storm stupidly broken in the near future considering they don't print good non creature spells anymore anyway.

[Admiral_Arzar]

It is a large percent of the meta but its not like it was dominant. They basically are just showing how much they hate the storm mechanic. They are attempting to destroy it without just blatantly banning it. I doubt they would print something to make storm stupidly broken in the near future considering they don't print good non creature spells anymore anyway.

This. If you read the rest of the ban list, they banned Grapeshot and Empty the Warrens in MTGO pauper - this ban was just more "we hate storm." Forsythe himself once came out and said that he hated the storm mechanic and that it was an "abomination" that should never have seen print. They've been printing hate cards aimed specifically at storm decks often ever since Lorwyn, this is just more of the same attitude.

[JDK]

The bitching makes little sense to me. Neither ban crushes the associated archetypes. Jund is fucking everywhere and while its not nearly unbeatable its omnipresence makes for a stale format. I found the explanation very reasonable.

Oh really? We will see how well Storm does without SS. ;)

[Tammit67]

Oh really? We will see how well Storm does without SS. ;)

Spoiler alert: It won't :(

[Asthereal]

I remember some time ago they announced Modern. We would play Mirrodin and newer, allowing us the new fetches, shock duals, and a great number of awesome cards. I was pretty excited, and as a Legacy-only player, I even considered joining in. And then they banned all the cool cards. Even the rediculously underpowered ones. Seriously, if you start to ban stuff like Punishing Fire, you have crippled your format in such a rediculous way that suddenly every card that is any fun to play seems too strong to allow to be legal.

I say unban everything, and just see where the format goes. It might be unbalanced for a year or so, but at least we get to play cards we actually like. Come on, Urza Lands? How can I take a format seriously where Urza Lands are tier 1?

[Koby]

GSZ + Cloudpost are too powerful for the format left alone. Same with Rite of Flames + Ponder/Preordainfor the Storm deck. Once those are out, and the only remaining option is Zoo, Punishing Fire becomes just boring and ubiquitous. And now we're back to where we started.

[Phoenix Ignition]

I propose we change the title of this thread to "Non-Modern Players Bitch About a Format They Never Played"

[socialite]

I propose we change the title of this thread to "Non-Modern Players Bitch About a Format They Never Played"

+1

[joemauer]

Looking at the results of the recent tournaments, Storm is not the most played deck, but it is among the top tier of decks. Four of the players to get at least 18 points at Pro Tour Return to Ravnica were playing Storm, and Olivier Ruel had a Top 8 performance at Grand Prix Lyon playing Storm. On Magic Online, Storm is the second-most-frequent high-finishing deck in Modern events, at 11.42%, behind only Jund. These results indicate that, while far from dominant, Storm is a top tier deck.

If a deck is top tier then this is a problem that must be fixed?
Does this mean we may see banning of more affinity cards and Martyr of Sands next?

I have said it before but it certainly bears repeating: Modern is in a very akward place. The format was essentially created to replace extended(and to a lesser degree legacy); it is intended to let players continue using their cards after they rotate out of Standard. Problem is that Standard players hate combo and control decks among other things like land destruction. The card pool that Wizards picked is/was strong for combo because of the card pool itself and the lack of good cards for control. Wizards was/is trying to nerf anything combo to appease the Standard players that they are trying to lure into their new format.

A strong aggro control deck was primed to dominate the format due to how well combo is positioned which meant more bans for WotC's pet format.

It seems that Wizards won't be happy with Modern until everyone is herp derping around with dumb aggro decks and ramp decks like in Standard.

[socialite]

Crying about the lack of combo decks in Modern is laughable.

There's like...

[joemauer]

Crying about the lack of combo decks in Modern is laughable.

There's like...

The crux of the problem is the opposite. Crying about too much Combos has caused stupid bans.



Oh and you can never have too much Combos, the snack. Those things are great.

[Amon Amarth]

Is Jund even that much weaker now that it (presumably) has to run Huntmaster of the Fells?

[JDK]

Crying about the lack of combo decks in Modern is laughable.

If we just take the competitive decks into account, there are Pod, Twin and Scapeshift. Arguably Infect is a combo deck too, but it's not as consistent as the others and Tron is more like a control-ish Ramp.dec. Living End, Eggs, Reanimator and Nivmagus aren't really decks you see on a regular basis.

So yeah, you can count the viable combo decks with one hand.

[Phoenix Ignition]

Is Jund even that much weaker now that it (presumably) has to run Huntmaster of the Fells?

Yes, much. Now blue has a chance against Jund because countering their 4 mana spell actually works. Also, obviously 2 2/2 creatures is much easier to deal with than 3/2 Haste + Liliana (which isn't a guarantee or anything but, still happened) on turn 3/4.

[socialite]

If we just take the competitive decks into account, there are Pod, Twin and Scapeshift. Arguably Infect is a combo deck too, but it's not as consistent as the others and Tron is more like a control-ish Ramp.dec. Living End, Eggs, Reanimator and Nivmagus aren't really decks you see on a regular basis.

So yeah, you can count the viable combo decks with one hand.

So WotC hates combo... bitch bitch bitch. Except there's four top tier combo decks in the format, assuming you count UR which is apparently now defunct because it lost one ritual. Lol?