Anyone wanna give me a decent, "starter" deck list for Nic Fit? I kinda wanna try the GB version first and make a feel for the deck. Then I can decide which route to take, Scapeshift, Punishing, Rector or whatnot.
She's test-bait right now. So far she's been good vs Lingering Souls and BUG, bad vs storm combo, and burn; and a wash vs Junk. Being legendary is a SERIOUS problem for her in the Junk matchup, since they'll just Knight for a Karakas at the first opportunity and then you'll sit there and be like, well fuck.Originally Posted by Osmin
I like the thought of her, since it gives the deck a legit mana sink, which is definitely something that it wants. But the jury's still out so far in testing. Abrupt Decay is still on the bucket list for whenever I grow tired of her, as are additional ramp dudes, as are some other, crazier, ideas that I haven't tried yet. If I had to guess, I would say that two weeks from now she won't be in the deck. But she's enjoying her testing phase currently, just as Blitz Hellion did (note that Hellion is still in the link in my sig. It's not staying; I just haven't figured out what I want to replace it with yet, as my attention has been squarely on Rector).
HoneyT, I summon you.Anyone wanna give me a decent, "starter" deck list for Nic Fit? I kinda wanna try the GB version first and make a feel for the deck. Then I can decide which route to take, Scapeshift, Punishing, Rector or whatnot.
Unrelatedly, this reminds me that I really should try to do more work on the primer soon. By which I mean completely redo everything, because it's all out of date now. FML.
Arian, i'll be getting an update on the 4-color Rector-Omni list this week, going to update it abit and get it more streamlined :)
Also, if i get my pieces in for Chrono, that'll get some testing in aswel.
Also, uploading some of Chimera's and my own testing here:
https://www.youtube.com/user/TeamEte...ew=0&flow=grid
It'll pretty much always be a Nic-Fit deck VS Something, or sometimes UBG Landstill VS Something :)
I'd like to throw in that I've had the opposite reaction to blitz hellion. He's a singleton for sure, but he brings such a strong backing to the beatdown plan for me (something I've been trying to learn to embrace to improve my play with scapeshift). Being able to go flat cast bliz hellion, swing for 10+ (sup huntmaster), then next turn do it again off of GSZ is super intimidating, and very hard to deal with.
Kevin, you threw Olivia in as slots 60 and 61 right? If I recall correctly I'm at 60, with 24 lands instead of 25 and +1 top (4 tops total).
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Current Decks: Scapewish NicFit, Grixis Affinity, Green Zombardment
Yeah. I cut Volrath's Stronghold (25th land) for one, and then pushed it back up to 61 for the 2nd copy, since I figured two would be a good sample size, and I didn't want to cut anything else (Hellion was still in testing as well).
The problem with Hellion is that he's a one-shot nuke. He turns your Green Suns into conditional Fireballs. This is cool, but it doesn't build any lasting board presence. 95% of the time I would rather Zenith out a Huntmaster or a Thragtusk because they're persistent -- they generate board state that sticks around. Hellion comes in, does his thing, and then he's gone. This is ignoring the removal issue, although most of the time, by the time you're Zenithing Hellion, they're out of removal.
Hellion is excellent at killing Liliana and randomly cheap-shotting people. Liliana is declining in the meta overall, and is better fought with board state generation anyway -- and as for cheap-shotting people, if you're playing tight and maintaining a steady board presence, you shouldn't HAVE to cheap-shot.
Note: personal expectations might be a thing as to why we disagree on Hellion. You're coming from a Berserk Stompy background, so I can see you being naturally inclined to favor cards such as Hellion because they fit in with your expectations of what a card should do: you're used to Berserking things and then they die, so that transient nature is acceptable to you. That doesn't mean that it's incorrect for you to play Hellion -- honestly, you can probably make him work better than I can, because you know how to use him better. For me, I just look at him and say this card is a derp. It's very, very situational, and could be refined to a better card that answers a wider degree of board states. He's definitely solid at what he does, though -- and if he's giving you good results, then by all means go nuts. But, I don't think he's what I, personally, want to be doing with that slot.
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I would like Olivia quite a bit more if we could tutor her in Scapeshift, that was a big thing that made her feel lackluster to me. She dumps mana once she's out which is tech as hell, but seeing her tends to be the problem.
I'm wondering if there's some kind of creature that has green in it's cost we could do this with. Wizards really let me down with Gruul haha.
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Current Decks: Scapewish NicFit, Grixis Affinity, Green Zombardment
Yeah, seriously@Gruul. This entire set is insanely disappointing from a Legacy standpoint -- even from that of a deck that routinely employs WotC's latest fatty.
Olivia was supposed to fulfill the same role, roughly, as Baneslayer does in Rector -- you can't tutor Baneslayer, either, but she always shows up in a blaze of glory exactly when you need her anyway. I'm gonna go on a gatherer hunt. Maybe I'll find buried treasure.
@Viridia -- I watched a few of your videos (when I say a few, I mean two). You should try to be a little clearer with your Tops / your hand, as far as the camera is concerned. Half the time I can't tell what's going on. I know, bad magic player habits -- I do it too. But if you're playing in front of a camera, you need to try to play a bit more FOR the camera. If that makes sense.
Also, g1 vs Jund with Jace Fit, I don't agree with your Jace activation -- I would have Fatesealed myself rather than bouncing his Bob. That puts Jace to a much more healthy 5, which means he has to blow a lot more resources to get rid of it, and it digs you one card deeper since you were bricking on your Top at that point. Letting Bob stick around is generally poor, but you had approximately a million outs -- you just needed more time to establish yourself, really. Assuming he can still kill your Jace (which there was no guarantee of), you put him +1 card (from Bob) and yourself +1 virtual card (because you get to bottom something you know you don't want, which gets you +1 with Top). It's a debatable position to be sure, I'm just expressing my thoughts =)
Also, Chimera needs one of those big spindowns like you have. I can't keep track of his life total at all. Like ever.
Ever considered like... inferno titan for that slot? I looked at him for a good minute.
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Current Decks: Scapewish NicFit, Grixis Affinity, Green Zombardment
Eh. I don't want too many 6-drops. Even for Nic Fit, and even for Scapewish (arguably the most ramp-oriented version of Nic Fit), mana DOES matter. 4 is kind of the sweet spot, since if you either set off an Explorer or a Tribe-Elder, should hit 4 easily enough. That's part of the attraction for Olivia - she occupies a perfect slot on the curve, where you can play her (and do work with her) early, but she's also like this ludicrously monstrous bomb if you draw her lategame when you have 14 lands in play.
Here are the options that I selected from Gatherer, in varying degrees of viability:
Ant Queen
Chameleon Colossus
Hellkite Overlord
Kamahl, Fist of Krosa
Hellkite isn't really a mana sink in the sense that the others are -- it's more like a HUGE Blitz Hellion that actually sticks around and is horrifying for more than one turn. The downside is that you aren't realistically going to be able to Zeinth it up to kill a planeswalker. X=8, cmc 9, is pretty rough. It does get bonus points for its activated abilities, though. If you can afford to Zenith it up, it represents a guaranteed 2-turn clock: one for when you Zenith it, and then almost assuredly a KO on the second turn, since you'll be able to firebreathe it for an arbitrary amount. So....that's a thought, I guess?
Ant Queen is your standard token-maker-dude. You sink mana, you get ants. Not much more to say, really.
Colossus is your standard "undercosted fat." You should be able to easily get him to a 16/16. However, he gets chump-blocked for days (though not by Deathrite Shaman. hahahaha fuck you, too, guy). However, I am unsure that he is more worthy of being Zenithed up than a Huntmaster in most situations.
Kamahl is cheeky as fuck. He's kind of a swiss army knife. You can use him in combination with a Deed or a Pyroclasm to literally one-sided Armageddon them, no matter what color they're playing. Alternatively, you can zerg rush someone with your lands -- or, you can make your army of Huntmasters/wolf tokens/Explorers/etc enormous and trampling. He's probably asking too much, though....needs too much setup and too many things to go right.
So....there's some options for you. I might try to substitute Hellion with a Hellkite Overlord and see how that goes. That might be wayyyyyy too greedy, but it's worth a run or two I'd say. I don't see anything that is both Zenithable and a legit mana sink ALA Olivia, though. There may well be some red or black dude that fits the bill better than she does, but I don't have time to do that search right now.
Actually, I just had an idea of a place to look. Brb.
Someone posted a list a while back with this guy in it and I've been wanting to try it ever since.
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If you can get a lead on them via angry mountains / agro, he could easily become a "deal with me or lose" kind of card.
I'm also seriously considering trying a singleton Shusher to improve the counter-spell matchup.
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Current Decks: Scapewish NicFit, Grixis Affinity, Green Zombardment
@ Arian, yeah i try to be clear with my hand, but i always forget to show the top cards :)
I can see where you're coming from on the Jace, i'll double check the situation in the video tomorrow. Also, i'll get another one of those big Spindowns this week ;)
Thanks for the critics anyway! We still have to learn alot about playing infront of a camera :P
I'm playing Arianrhod's Rector Fit. Just curious when I side in Natural order and what do I side out?
The usual idea is to side in when grave hate is gonna ruin your Rectors, so -3 Rector, -1 Nightmare, +3 NO, +1 Progenitus.
Well Arianrhod, I am sure us nic fitters are more than happy to help chip in in the construction of the primer!
I've actually phased that plan out for the latest Rector build (see updated sig link...big post yesterday with the rationales). If you're still on NO/Pro, though, the general plan is -3 Rector, -1 Nightmare. However, I've had serious problems with that board plan, which have led me to taking NO/Pro out entirely. You probably do something like -1 Rector, -1 E.Wit, -1 Nightmare, -1 Baneslayer.
But, I'd move away from NO/Pro if you have the ability to do so. It's a solid idea, but it needs better implementation, and I think that the skeleton of the deck would need to shift substantially to support it adequately -- you're essentially trying to make Rector work without Rectors, which is derpy at best, and an unmitigated catastrafuck at worst. It doesn't synergize well enough, bottom line.
Hi all, so far the punishing list has been testing decent. (All cards are abbreviated as I am doing this on my cell in between sets at the gym)
Here is an update with suggested boarding plans
Main:
4 Grove
3 Forest
2 Mountain
2 Swamp
1 Taiga
1 Badlands
2 Bayou
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Wooded Foothills
1 P. Tower
1 Kessig Wolf-Run
4 Veteran
1 Thrun
3 Huntmaster
1 Thrag
1 Prime Time
1 Broodmate Dragon
1 Eternal Witness
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 GSZ
4 Cabal Therapy
2 A. Decay
4 Punishing Fire
2 M. Pulse
1 Nightmare
3 Deed
3 Top
Board:
3 Carpet of Flowers
4 Thoughtseize
3 Mindbreak Trap
3 Slaughter Games
2 Surgical/Extirpate
Boarding Plans:
Rug/Bug/Tempo
- 1 Prime
- 1 Tusk
- 1 Broodmate
+ 3 Carpet
Aggro(goblins/junk/jund):
- none
Combo (storm/belcher(
- 1 Prime
- 1 Huntmaster
- 1 Thrun
- 2 Decay
- 1 Tusk
- 1 Broodmate
- 1 Nightmare
- 4 P.Fire
+ 3 Mindbreak Trap
+ 4 Thoughtseize
+ 3 Slaughter games
+ 2 Surgical/Extripate
Control (stoneblade, team america, anything else):
+ 3 Carpet of Flowers
+ 3 Slaughter Games
- 4 Veteran Explorers
- 2 P. Fire
Hey everyone. Longtime lurker first timr poster. Just picked up Nic Fit about a week or so ago. Been having some trouble finding updated lists to work on and help improve the deck. If anyone can share the latest lists of the various builds that would ve most helpul. Thanks.
Just for conversation's sake -
If you added a single Dryad Arbor to the main, wouldn't that help the NO/Pro SB plan a bit? It would give you a GSZ target on turn 1 and a sac for the NO. Just a thought. I may try it, haven't decided. My list isn't using the NO/Pro plan, but it isn't out of the question yet either.
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Uh, the latest lists for the various versions are in everyones' signatures. I've got Rector and Scapewish, Viridia has I think Jace and 4c Omni, Tao has PFire and I think a different Jace version? Qweerios has G/B and Jace, I think.....HoneyT has G/B. Just browse the past few pages and look at everyone's signatures. That's where we store our latest.
That's one of the changes that would probably need to be made, yeah. It's stuff like that, though, that I'm talking about. NO is like Omni. Neither one can just be slotted into Rector can call it a day. If you want NO, you need to make changes to support it. Same with Omni.
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