[Deck] Goblins

[Tao]

lol I just tuned in and at the end of G2 they both punted and counterpunted like I have never seen... wtf were they doing???

[Countertoplol]

lol I just tuned in and at the end of G2 they both punted and counterpunted like I have never seen... wtf were they doing???

They're probably exhausted.

[feline]

That was alot of back and forth'ing game 2.

1 game to go.

-edit- And it's a win for Goblins!

[superspaceshooter]

Most of the opponents played fairly loose (part of it can surely be blamed on exhaustion, but still!) I still don't like 4 Goblin Piledrivers, and he was fortunate not to draw many of them against Jund, though he likely sided some out for Pyrokensis.

[nudon]

They're probably exhausted.

Agreed, it's not easy to play several hours of mtg without making a mistake. Pearson was far worse though.

[Fuwatanity]

edit: nvm

[Amon Amarth]

Most of the opponents played fairly loose (part of it can surely be blamed on exhaustion, but still!) I still don't like 4 Goblin Piledrivers, and he was fortunate not to draw many of them against Jund, though he likely sided some out for Pyrokensis.

For an accomplished person like Max, I imagine it was pretty easy to sub out the 3 Piledrivers for 3 Pyrokinesis.

[GoboLord]

Some quotes made me wonder:

[...] Goblin Piledrivers, and he was fortunate not to draw many of them against Jund, though he likely sided some out for Pyrokensis.

For an accomplished person like Max, I imagine it was pretty easy to sub out the 3 Piledrivers for 3 Pyrokinesis.

What do people think about the value of Piledrivers and Pyrokinesis in the Jund MU? In my view Piledriver is quite good there, since they don't have too many blockers (Deathrite Shaman, Dark Confidant, Tarmogoyf, Bloodbraid Elves...makes 16 in total assuming they run a playset of each card). The small number of creatures, along with their discardspells makes Pyrokinesis a quite un-attractive SB choice against Jund. So, even if I had Pyrokinesis in my SB I wouldn't bring them in for this MU.

What are others thinking about this?

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/EDIT: I almost forgot it: (in case Max Tietzke is reading this) Congratulations on the good finish. Playing tight isn't as important for Vial Goblins as it is for other decks, so don't worry if you made a few slips.

[raindrainxi]

Some quotes made me wonder:


What do people think about the value of Piledrivers and Pyrokinesis in the Jund MU? In my view Piledriver is quite good there, since they don't have too many blockers (Deathrite Shaman, Dark Confidant, Tarmogoyf, Bloodbraid Elves...makes 16 in total assuming they run a playset of each card). The small number of creatures, along with their discardspells makes Pyrokinesis a quite un-attractive SB choice against Jund. So, even if I had Pyrokinesis in my SB I wouldn't bring them in for this MU.

What are others thinking about this?

I agree with this. Jund's arguable top creatures (Bloodbraid Elf and Dark Confidant) is card advantage personified, and Pyrokinesis is innately card disadvantage. MWM is still the best 2cc here, but I still wouldn't side in Pyrokinesis replacing PD. I am a bit biased for Piledriver, I dropped them to 2 but rarely side them out.

[Hof]

I would sideboard out Piledriver against any deck that has blockers and lots of spot removal. I would most definately sidebord them out against Jund, because Jund has blockers, spot removal, and discard, and Piledriver is destined to be a red Squire most of the time in that setup. Despite my dislike of the card, Mogg War Marshall is obviously very strong here, against Liliana and all that. Luckily for that Goblin player, the Jund players forgot to bring their Engineered Plague this time. In fact, the 2nd place Jund deck have next to nothing against Goblins in the side. Maybe he will remember next time.

I agree that Pyrokineses seems bad against Hymn.
With perfect knowledge of my opponents deck in that particular matchup, I would probably side -4 Piledriver, -1 Hooligan, +3 Thalia, +2 Relic.

[Avatara]

With perfect knowledge of my opponents deck in that particular matchup, I would probably side -4 Piledriver, -1 Hooligan, +3 Thalia, +2 Relic.

Thalia doesn't really help against Punishing Fire.. It's obvious that relic, pyrokinesis, swarming (MWM + SGC) and mana denial made Tietze win those match-up. Yes he had perfect knowledge! On a side note the Jund decks didn't run Engineered Plague, which would have made those games a lot harder.

[jrw1985]

Congratulations to Max Tietze for winning the whole enchilada! I stayed up to watch the stream and thought he played very well. I really liked how he sandbagged his Pyros to blow up Goyfs and just ignored DRS for the most part.

Goblins

Max Tietze

1st Place at StarCityGames.com Legacy Open on 4/7/2013

Creatures (33)
4 Gempalm Incinerator
4 Goblin Lackey
4 Goblin Matron
4 Goblin Piledriver
4 Goblin Ringleader
1 Goblin Sharpshooter
4 Goblin Warchief
3 Mogg War Marshal
2 Siege-Gang Commander
1 Skirk Prospector
1 Stingscourger
1 Tin Street Hooligan

Lands (23)
3 Mountain
3 Bloodstained Mire
4 Cavern of Souls
1 Plateau
4 Rishadan Port
3 Scalding Tarn
1 Taiga
4 Wasteland

Spells (4)
4 Aether Vial

Sideboard
3 Relic of Progenitus
1 Angel of Despair
2 Krosan Grip
3 Mindbreak Trap
3 Pyrokinesis
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben

Questions for Max :

Were the 4 Ports good?

Why Relic over Rest in Peace?

Why Angel of Despair and not KGrip #3?

[ScatmanX]

What are others thinking about this?

I don't really like any of those against Jund, but I'll usually keep 1-2 Piledrivers against them.

Congratz to Tietze.

[Sasan]

Great finish Max.

Anyone know how he boarded versus Jund? He boarded Relics and Kinesis in but what did he take out? Obviously 3 Piledrivers on the play and 3 Lackeys on the draw. I also think that he boarded TSH out but what else?

His main deck is exactly the same as his winner deck from last year except one Plateau for one basic mountain.

Classic Control Goblins rock :)

[ScatmanX]

How did Tietze's Kinesis killed the Goyf G3 of the finals?
Goyf was 1/2 (land). Lackey attacks. Goyf blocks. Kinesis kills Shaman and deals 2 to Goyf. Goyf rises to a 3/4 (land, instant, creature). Lackey deals 1 dmg to Goyf (3 dmg total).
If Lackey deals the dmg 1st, then it would be on the grave before Kinesis resolves, right?
Can someone enlighten me?

[alphastryk]

How did Tietze's Kinesis killed the Goyf G3 of the finals?
Goyf was 1/2 (land). Lackey attacks. Goyf blocks. Kinesis kills Shaman and deals 2 to Goyf. Goyf rises to a 3/4 (land, instant, creature). Lackey deals 1 dmg to Goyf (3 dmg total).
If Lackey deals the dmg 1st, then it would be on the grave before Kinesis resolves, right?
Can someone enlighten me?

You're right, it should not have killed the goyf, as it was too big.

[jrw1985]

How did Tietze's Kinesis killed the Goyf G3 of the finals?
Goyf was 1/2 (land). Lackey attacks. Goyf blocks. Kinesis kills Shaman and deals 2 to Goyf. Goyf rises to a 3/4 (land, instant, creature). Lackey deals 1 dmg to Goyf (3 dmg total).
If Lackey deals the dmg 1st, then it would be on the grave before Kinesis resolves, right?
Can someone enlighten me?

I don't recall DRS dying. Just Goyf died I thought.

[ScatmanX]

I don't recall DRS dying. Just Goyf died I thought.

http://pt-br.twitch.tv/scglive/b/387913773
10:31:00
Both die.

[GoboLord]

Agreed, it's not easy to play several hours of mtg without making a mistake. Pearson was far worse though.

...apparently not worse than the judges :-D

[B-rad]

First off congrats to Max. But for all you newer Goblins players those two matchups vs Jund are not at all how the matchup plays out. It is actually quite miserable if the Jund player has even the smallest bit of competence. I think you board out 4 Piledrivers 1 TSH and 1 Lackey for the Pyrokinesis and Relics.