Ignorant bliss isn't bad since it replaces itself and protect you from any number of discard spells for a turn but in my taste it is just to narrow to deserve a SB slot.
We don't really care about discard unless it is combined with permission or permanent based hate, and in that case we are better off using our SB slots to attend to that problem.
@ The new confidant: It sucks since it does nothing if you have a card in your hand already. In any case you are better off with Dark confidant in AnT.
It combines nicely with liliana though.
I know him personally and can assure you he is not playing Burning Wishes in his ANT deck right now. He also stated it in his blog I think.Originally Posted by SaberTooth
Last edited by Mindlash; 04-11-2013 at 04:52 PM.
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How would one access this blog? I'm far far from knowing him or anything but from reading his report on E.C .it seemed like he would never even think about other variants.
That report is ancient by now! It was from pre-Decay storm! I know this is a controversial opinion on the ANT thread (and is just my opinion), but I think ANT stopped being on par with TES once Abrupt Decay got printed.
At that point ANT's advantage of a "stable manabase" stopped existing because it had to splash both R and G (in addition to losing out on powerful tools like Silence). Counterbalance has seen an uptick and AD is much easier to cast than Wipe Away, so it's pretty hard justifying not playing Decay considering the benefits it has in the Chalice and hatebear matchups, but at the same time it has a pretty real cost.
Keeping the fetch-dual manabase with AD warps the deck to either be extremely durdly (16 cantrips and board Trop) or very all-in with a deck that's not designed to be all-in (TNT).
I really don't have anything more than a gut feel from playtesting for why this is true, but I still believe that it is.
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A friend of mine speaks with him quite often and friends of him come to Belgium to play legacy in our LGS sometimes and we spoke about it. I am currently looking to start with ANT and asked questions about which version to play and what they thought about burning wish. That's when they told me he wasn't playing tem ATM.
I don't like MTG, i just like legacy control decks.Esper stoneblade
The blog can be found here:
http://www.mtg-forum.de/blog/98-the-...nd-the-wicked/
It is on a german magic forum and written in german though. He does not write a lot lately and roughly a third is about magic when he does. Reading the blog requires registration.
If I remember correctly he tested ANT with Snapcaster Mages at the time of GP Bochum and finally settled with an adjusted maindeck of Prosaks cantrip version.
Burning Wish was seen as a nessessary evil in the GP Ghent list. It can create some arkward situations. You need either another tutor to grab an engine with it or enough mana to go with Grim Tutor to get your engine and puts a strain on your manabase by needing more red mana in the combo turn. It also eats up a good chunk of your sideboard.
Some problems with BW or Grim main are also described here by Prosak:
http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/s...rm-Primer.html
I played the GP Ghent deck alot and liked it. I miss the ability to interact with cards like Teeg in G1 or put some goblins on the table T1 in the newest list.
On the other hand the new list plays alot smoother now without Burning Wishes and G1 Teeg is not encountered very often these days.
People often say it is alot slower then the BW version, but most of the fast kills were enabled by Infernal Tutor anyways.
Manabase feels stable and you get a real sideboard now.
Current list as of march the 25th looks like this:
Deck: Ad Nauseam Tendrils
//Main
4 Polluted Delta
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
2 Island
1 Swamp
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Preordain
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Duress
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Lotus Petal
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Infernal Tutor
1 Ad Nauseam
1 Past in Flames
1 Tendrils of Agony
//Sideboard
3 Carpet of Flowers
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Chain of Vapor
1 Duress
1 Tropical Island
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Leaving us with 5 open slots in the sideboard which are currently filled with the following:
Deck: Ad Nauseam Tendrils SB Flexslots
//Sideboard
3 Grafdigger's Cage (against TinFins)
1 Ill-Gotten Gains
1 Carpet of Flowers
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Edit: Got rid of sacks :-)
Last edited by Mindlash; 04-12-2013 at 10:14 AM.
"I came into this world covered in someone else's blood and screaming, I'd like to leave it the same way."
It's Prosak, not a professional sack.
Prosak:
A sack:
Anyone know if the numbers Nihil Credo uses make any differentiation between ANT and TES? That's the only way his DTB numbers make sense
Edit: dug into the tcdecks numbers. Basically I was forgetting about Europe
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Two questions... Which is better going into something like an SCG Open? Prosak's ANT list or Bryants TES? I feel fairly comfortable with both but I barely ever play legacy anymore so I have no clue which is a better choice?
Also can anyone explain to me how to board for Prosak's list? I am not sure what to cut for the Carpet's and the Decays. Also I assume when you bring in the Trop you are cutting a non-land. can anyone confirm this?
At this point, strictly speaking the data supports ANT (although it's not by much for US tournaments). Obviously I and other people on the TES thread think that deck is superior, but there's basically no way to convince people apart from encouraging them to play the deck in tournaments (after getting comfortable with it - it's not as intuitive as ANT). I feel like if you have a good handle on TES then there shouldn't be a question, otherwise you should play ANT.
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Cabal Ritual comes out for Carpet of Flowers versus Blue Decks. They are both rituals, except Carpet has no graveyard weakness and are almost always online against blue decks. Tropical Island comes in for a Fetchland. Abrupt Decay comes in for 2x Preordain, a Cabal Ritual. If you play 4x Decays, then you may shave a discard spell, but I generally find 3x Decay are enough.
Player mentality matters a bit, too. Even if you're technically proficient, TES is more oriented for aggressive, somewhat gambly early game plays and has a bit worse long game. ANT is a more everything is guaranteed and (relatively speaking) slow and steady kind of affair, play feel wise. In as diverse and tricky a format as Legacy, being comfortable with your deck is key.
Though if you play Prosak ANT, for goodness' sake don't run that Massacre in the board. Being dead to Teeg is not very funny.
Today ANT is on day 2 in th GP Grand Prix ;)
(make 7-2 without byes;)) The list fallow soon..
@ zombie
the first thing dont say prosak ANT, its not his deck and he's not the only player that say 4/4/4/4 is right thing.
@.i think.massacre is.pretty. maybe a.change slot.
If someone speaks of Prosaks ANT I just see Gemstone Mines and not the 4/4/4/4 thingy :-P But I tend to see the bad things first :D
Edit: Massacre is just not needed in his board. Decay, Karakas, Vapor handle most of the Hatebears and Massacre seems to be for Thalia and such....and in that case a single DoN seems better.
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On my first GP ( Strassburg)
89 place from 1663 people with ANT without byes.
i'm very happy with this results.
My List fallows...
Has anyone ever tried a couple Thought Scour over a couple of the Preordain? I find that I am often waiting a turn to go off because I don't have Threshold, and that is usually just as important if not more important than the dig that the Preordain scry gives me. A common use for my Preordains is a "shuffle" for Brainstorms, and Thought Scour does this as well. Just curious if anyone has tried it...
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Here is my List:
1 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
1 Badlands
1 Island
1 Swamp
4 Polluted Delta
2 Scalding Tarn
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Past in Flames
4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Preordain
4 Duress
2 Cabal Therapy
4 Lotus Petal
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Ad Nauseam
2 Misty Rainforest
SB: 1 Bayou
SB: 3 Abrupt Decay
SB: 2 Chain of Vapor
SB: 1 Cabal Therapy
SB: 3 Carpet of Flowers
SB: 1 Karakas
SB: 2 Ignorant Bliss
SB: 1 Massacre
SB: 1 Slaughter Pact
The only thing i would change is the Pact.
The List Perform very well!
For a moment I thought you ran just 13 lands. Sickest mind trick ever, putting 2 misty rainforest at the bottom of the decklist. Also of note, how relevant is having the bayou as green source number 2 in the sideboard? I'm guessing you ran the badlands because you had ignorant bliss in the sideboard. As for massacre, did it ever get screwed over by teeg? Slaughter pact is an easy switch to chain of vapor or echoing truth at least to me. Leyline of sanctity is seeing more play and just 2 CoV's as answers to leyline is pretty loose since you have to rely on ad nauseam more to find the CoV's for you to answer leyline(s). Either way, congratulations on the finish.
No one has tried thought scour to my knowledge. It seems neat for enabling threshold and randomly milling PiF or making PiF better by milling rituals but I'm hesitant to try it because every time it mills infernal tutor or some other good cards I'm going to cringe. Usually cabal ritual is threshed at least for me, unless it's turn 2 or something. I even manage to get it threshed through double deathrite shaman generally.
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@ Massacre
I never get owned by Teeg(Massacre is not the only removal). I think Massacre is good to, for win time against fast decks like Elves.
@ Bayou
First, I don't like Gemstone Mine at all. Because it get wasted so easy..
Ok bayou too, but i prefer more Fetchies, they make Treshhold too and can't be wasted+ search your basic+ better Brainstorms.
And i like this art of green split very well. All the Time you can fetch what you need and make Treshhold.
@ Slaughter Pact
yeah i will cut the Pact for a one off Dread of Night or something like that.
@ Chain of Vapor
Chain was pretty good and safed my games.
But a Game on day 2 was against Show and Know.
It was 1:1 and he was on the play on g3. I know that he is playing Leyline of sanctity.
I boarded in 2 Chain of Vapors. Then he begin with double Leyline and Volcanic, GO!
I have a Perfect first Turn kill Hand with Ad Nauseam and enough Mana free for cast more ritual etc..
I have to go for it, no FoW and make a lot mana + again with PiF to. Don't find a Chain. Have to search with tutor and bounce him the first Leyline.
then the second i cant bounce him it, because he play a REB in my Face -.-
Game...not enough Mana to Flashback Chain + search Tendrils..But was a good Game.
@ Ignorrant Bliss
It saved my 2 Games against Jund;)
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