I'm running GW Maverick and use Elspeth + Sigarda as my 4-5cc bombs. I used to run Thrun, but Sigarda is just better and I run Gaea's Cradle, so the difference between 4 and 5 cc isn't that important at that stage of the game.
Hi guys, first post on this forum. Never been here before, but I've heard this is the place for info on Legacy.
I got second at the SCG Legacy Open last weekend in Seattle. Here is a link to my list:
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=55299
I just sent a draft of an article to the editor, hopefully they will put that up in the near future.
@ M@verick, are there instances where you wish you have extra removals other than 4 Stp and the counters from jitte?
At times, I'm forced to include O-rings as added removals but at the expense of decreasing my creatures.
Also, what's the minimum number of creatures that you play in a vial build?
Congratulations on the win! You've inspired me to dust off my old maverick deck and try slugging it out again. A few questions tho...Originally Posted by Sunyveil
1. Have you ever thought of maindecking the discards? It seems like a proactive move, keeping in line with mavericks intent of proactive disruption.
2. How good is deathrite shaman vs noble heirarch? Were you able to use all 3 abilities consistently?
3. Does the black splash do anything to our miracle matchup? How about the jund matchupsm
4. Stoneforge mystic was removed in almost all gw builds. Why the change to the classic build?
Im really glad that maverick is making a resurgence in the bigger tournaments! Again, congratulations!
1) I did maindeck 4 discard spells... I think it helps significantly against combo at the expense of some of the grindier matchups, but I think that's well worth it.
2) Deathrite Shaman is pretty OP. All three abilities are relevant in different situations, and a lot of decks will have a problem trying to win through an active Deathrite Shaman.
3) Miracles is a pretty good matchup to begin with, I suppose the black splash also gives us access to Abrupt Decay. Not sure if that's better or worse. I'd say it hurts our Jund (and other aggro) matchup slightly, but not by a ton. Did not play against Jund over the weekend.
4) Yeah, I remember SFM being really bad in the old builds, but it's really good here for some reason. I think it's because my version has slightly fewer creatures, so sometimes you need to make your own creature via Batterskull. Also, she's pretty good as a defensive creature, which is what we end up needing in a lot of fair matchups.
@sunnyveil: Congrats on a great finish!! You have also restored my faith in mav:) i love the list, it looks great. One question can the bop be cut and just run on 4 drs for manadorks? I agree sfm is good again, its been up and down as meta slots but it seems well positioned as of now. Anyway great finish and i will be tinkering with your list:)
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With this deck in particular, the number of games you win by having acceleration turn 1 versus not is huge. I always ran the 5 acceleration in traditional Maverick. It helps a ton.
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In the past, I couldn't bring myself in running that many mana dorks, because they were terrible lategame. Deathrite Shaman has changed that as it's a perfectably acceptable topdeck lategame and still an awesome early game mana dork.
Congratulations on the finish. When you say "draft to the editor" do you mean SCG editor?
How did you find the two BoP's played compared to Noble Hierarch? Clearly they give access to Black which is a bonus but did it or there flying make any difference at the event?
My Legacy Decks of choice: Pox, Miracles, D&T or Lands.
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Yeah, I sent Cedric the article, but I haven't heard back yet. I'm worried he has a grudge on me because of the last time I played in Seattle, but perhaps that's just me being paranoid.
Birds' ability to produce black mana is very often relevant. Also, it served as a chump blocker (or potential chump blocker, I don't remember that well) for Vendilion Clique in the finals that ended up being pretty critical. I would definitely run it over Hierarch if you are splashing black.
Also I started out with 4 DRS but found that I couldn't actually fuel that many in my deck. I switched to 3 DRS 1 BoP, then decided that I wanted one more mana dork.
Did you ever consider going 4 Swords / 4 Abrupt Decay over the 4 Swords / 4 Thoughtseize config that you ended up running? The allure of 4 Abrupt Decay / 4 Swords is strong...
Looking at Sunyveil's list and the one that made top 8 at the gp, is the is it fair to say that the g/w versions of the deck are dead and buried like how esper stoneblade killed the u/w versions and made itself the new king of kings?
Good job, Sunyveil! Congrats on the finish!
The first time I suggested it in this thread I was practically made fun of for running black. "It's not Maverick" "Thalia is the best", etc etc. Just goes to show how hard it is to get people to change decks they're familiar with.
I don't think G/W/b is the only viable choice for Maverick, it's just best positioned for the Pacific Northwest. I imagine that a Naya or 4-color version of Punishing Maverick would be heavily favored against me, and a straight GW version slightly favored. I didn't think I would run into many mirrors over the weekend (I didn't), and if I did, I had enough faith in my technical skill to be able to swing the matchup.
Also, I tried 4 StP + 2 Abrupt Decay, and it simply felt like more removal than the deck needed. KotR and Mother of Runes both help neutralize opposing creatures, so more than 4 true removal spells doesn't seem essential.
Im trying on sunnyveils list without the stoneforge package and trying on the old 2 jitte stance. Ill let you guys know how this holds up.
Since were already splashing black here, what do you guys think of lilliana otv here? A singleton lotv could easily fill in as removal #5. Thoughts?")
Her 1BB casting cost would seem absolutely brutal to consistently attain. I'd rather have Path to Exile, Abrupt Decay as removal #5 before Liliana of the Veil.
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I find your sideboard quite interesting w/ 3 E-tutor. How did that work out for you? Anything you'd like to change in the SB?
Short of pumping Knight, we don't have many ways of getting value off of the +1 (like Junk with lingering souls or Pox with it's pox~y things), nor are we jund and just apply tons of upfront pressure and disruption, abrupt decay just sounds better.
I dont think, that GWb Maverick is so better than just GW Maverick, like Esperblade than UW Blade.
I think that the splash is just a Metacall.
If you dont know the meta, and want a consistend Deck, then use GW Mave. You have so many Hatebears (Teeg, Thalia, Ethersworn, Revoker etc.) that you able to beat every Deck.
If the Meta have more Midrange Decks, like Junk, Jund, Canadian etc. then splash red for Punishing fire and other red spells (ReB, maybe the RW Ajani).
If the Meta have more Storm/Control Decks splash Black for Discard and Counterproof removal.
What do you think about Garruk, Primal Hunter? I think i play him over Sigarda, because he is good against Jund and Pox too, but have nuts against UW controll.
I'm unclear as to how Garruk Primal Hunter is better against Jund and Pox than Sigarda is. Assuming you were able to amass 5 mana versus Pox (tall task), Sigarda reduces the value of their Smallpox and Liliana of the Veil substantially while representing a very quick clock they cannot remove or chump-block. In Maverick, I'd opt for Thrun, Garruk Relentless, Elspeth Knight-Errant, Linvala, Sigarda as my maindeck 4-5cc bombs before considering anything else, but that's just me.
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