Bakada, have you ever tried dropping two lands for two Sylvan Library? I made a build that ran them and the card was wildly powerful in it, and I genuinely don't believe you need 26 lands + 4 moxen. 24 + 4 is fine.
I have been toying with that idea for sure... I tend to like my mana base but maybe ill try dropping my basic for a 1 of sylvan library, thanks for the input!Originally Posted by Kich867
After playing with the deck for last couple of weeks, i believe we need to have REB in the sideboard to give a shot vs the show and tell decks, also how do you guys deal with Bug, and RUG not delver but the midrange value town
I haven't played Loam in a while, or against BUG Midrange, but I'm assuming your plan is stick Seismic assault to take out their little dudes, then land a Terravore and muck their face.
You're the control deck here, of course.
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It really depends on what build you have. If you have chalice main then you already give BUG a seriously tough time because everything aggro loam does is a threat. The only thing the deck can't really deal with is an active Jace. If you have chalice coming from the side then it's accurate to say yes play rebs bc your main should be playing 4 DRS. Now, if your kind of playing the newer build with punishing fire and you play tight enough your pretty good against most blue midrange decks. Show n Tell decks will always be a tough match-up for any aggro deck. That's where Jeff Hooglands list kind of gains the advantage. I wouldn't say his list is "aggro" loam but it has all the same stuff in it. His list is actually much better against show n tell decks because he plays knights and bring in creatures like Thalia. Against RUG you should never have a bad match-up lol.... No one is really playing aggro loam but in some ways it's a healthy deck to play.
Im new to this deck, for someone in a meta populated with fair aggro decks, show and tell and U/W Miracles, is Normal aggro loam better or 4 color?
Um well it's actually uo to your personal preference. The traditional build of aggro loam is very aggressive and fast which JUND builds tend to be. The 4 color loam gives you access to Knight of The reliquary and more options if you run a wish board. 4 color has had Swords of Plowshare in there before. The 4 color loam is also more control style, it's slower and requires good timing. Me personally I would say if your going to invest in aggro loam instead just invest in JUND. It's not to kill aggro loam love lol but it's bc DRS really screws this deck up, which this deck can answer but it isn't as fast. Jund is better in the meta right now, it lacks the raw power of aggro loam but it's not heavily reliant on the graveyard and it abuses discard which i think is relevant. I will say this though, Chalice turn one is still the shiets lol so it's up to you man. control or aggro-combo? and also the control version has beter answers to show n tell.
I'm still thoroughly of the opinion that 4 color loam is just bad. It tries to do too much and isn't focused enough of a deck. One guy did well with it. Once. I'll be shortly experimenting with a build I designed with a good friend of mine and be posting the results here over the next few weeks.
This x1000
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Im sorry but this is just false. Hoogland has done well with the deck many times. In fact this past weekend He finished 6-2-1 with the deck including blowing out Esper SToneblade on cam with the deck. He has top 4'd three times this year with the deck. It is more than a flash in the pan.
Sorry, one guy did well with it. Three times.
so the deck is bad because only one dude plays it and has actually taken the.time to master it? I'm sorry that is poor reasoning in my opinion. His finishes prove that the deck is nota bad deck. nobody else had picked upthe deck though
People regularly top 8 with elves, someone won something with Blouses, someone has won with Pox, people get to top 8 with Affinity, it doesn't make them good decks objectively. Aggro Loam itself isn't a particularly great deck either. But of Aggro Loam variants, I believe his version is just categorically worse.
I do agree that Hoogland knows his deck inside and out extremely well. I disagree with some his card choices/numbers, but I think objectively, 4c Aggro Loam still is still a solid choice. It's still going to suck against combo just like 3c Loam variants. Where it excels are the mid-range matchups.
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I just can't imagine a circumstance where 3c Loam variants are still just as good, but more consistent, and don't lose access to realistic removal spells over his 4c variant.. I think about 0 people still play Aggro Loam besides him, given the deck's weakness to combo.
But going 4 colors completely destroys your matchups against Tempo strategies.
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The same matchup where KotR eats their entire deck for breakfast.
This is more valid than the comparison between 4c and 3c Loam.
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I think if you're running this deck nowadays anyway, running 3 Mox and 3 DRS isn't a bad idea to mana fix like a beast.
-Matt
DRS is not great with chalice though.is the issue. I could see it somewhere in the deck though
Why run Chalice when you can run all the things!
Pretty sure my new lists start with 3 Terravore, 4 Knight, 3 DRS and go from there. Chump that, suckers.
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