These were exactly my thoughts about EtW. It is to slow in Cantrip ANT and you nearly never need it if Infernal Tutor is available.Originally Posted by Lemnear
In TNT EtW was useful in the SB if you could use Burning Wish Turn 1 or 2 and not generate enough Storm to kill with Tendrils.
Turn 3 EtW is not likely to win you the game in most cases.
Greetings Mindlash
"I came into this world covered in someone else's blood and screaming, I'd like to leave it the same way."
if you want more bussiness, grim tutor is the answer. playing 3 preordain and 1 grim is the best option for me
I tried it in TNT with BW and Grim in my SB and in ANT with 1 / 2 Grim Main...I do not like this card.
But on the other hand I have never had buisness problems with 16 cantrips so far.
Grim hurts too much in some matchups. 3 Life on AN flip and 3 Life while casting it are a bunch of life. Same goes for flashbacking it.
It is probably the next best tutor after Infernal Tutor in ANT, but for me the cantrips list works out better.
Greetings Mindlash
"I came into this world covered in someone else's blood and screaming, I'd like to leave it the same way."
of course, grim tutor sucks as a card, but i feel better playing it, i suppose that is a personal preference, and after all, ant's ad nauseam sucks already
Yeah thats true...when I am playing TES I enjoy playing AN alot. It is almost impossible to fizzle it with all the initial mana sources and low cmc cards. I rarely use it in ANT though. But I would not cut it entirely. There are just those fast and easy wins here and there.
And you can also use at as a super draw spell from time to time. Natural drawn AN can also be a strong option in ANT. I am not willing to exchange it entirely for EtW...at least not maindeck.
Greetings Mindlash
"I came into this world covered in someone else's blood and screaming, I'd like to leave it the same way."
yeah, if you cut ad nauseam for etw you are doing something wrong
Is Grim Tutor even a viable option in the sideboard when playing Burning Wish?
The only time you'd get Grim with your wish is when you can PiF for the win. And for that to be the case you'd need A LOT of ritual effects in your hand (and possibly in your GY too). So, sure, if your hand is something like: 2x Dark Ritual, 1x Cabal Ritual (threshold), 2x LED and Burning Wish, but no Infernal Tutor in the GY, AND you have red producing land, you could make enough mana to burning wish -> grim tutor -> past in flames and win with Grim. You'd also need to be on at least 7 life.
With no Grim Tutor in the board the above hand would be limited to "just" making 14 goblins with EtW...
Wouldn't then one Grim Tutor be better in the actual main deck? I'm thinking something along the lines of a 4/2/1 split of Infernal/Bwish/Grim.
I have a Reforge the Soul on side for that situation. During my last tourney I didn't use it, but I was glad I had the option regardless.
(Note that Diminishing Returns can exile all your wincons, and it eats your graveyard, which makes Cabal Ritual and a potential follow-up Past in Flames worse.)
Why would you run full 3c ANT for Wish and still run the crap that Grim Tutor is?
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grim tutor is bad, i prefer 3 wishes in tnt, because bw doesn't search only for the grim, and you dont really need so much mana, you can bw on your second turn for grim tutor and go off turn 3
You could also get Grim Tutor on turn 2 with Burning Wish and go for the kill the turn after.
Sometime you just do not want to BW into Empty or you have no second tutor in your hand to BW into PiF / IGG or your storm is to low for ToA. In that case you get yourself the Grim Tutor one turn earlier. Beeing able to perform it all in one turn is just a bonus.
You could probalby play something like 3 Infernal, 3 BW, 1 Grim with one Infernal in your SB or 4 BW and 3 IT...but I don't think it is a good idea to play less then 4 Infernal Tutor main.
Greetings Mindlash
Edit: Just got ninjaed a lot of times :D
"I came into this world covered in someone else's blood and screaming, I'd like to leave it the same way."
I would say PiF is better than Empty maybe 80% of the time. That 20% when you want a fast Empty just steals games. I won with Empty 3 times at the IQ and PiF every other game. Those 3 times I won with Empty definitely mattered, even if they were less than the number of times I cast PiF. Ad Nauseam is just an unreliable card and is absolutely terrible against blue tempo decks that pressure you early. Ad Nauseam is a fine card in matchups that we already win easily with PiF. It's like an easy button when you don't have patience and want to get excited by variance. All I can say is to try Empty. Maybe you'll like it, and maybe you won't, but I have played both Ad Nauseam and Empty, so I am just drawing from my experiences with the cards. Not running Ad Nauseam also lets you run Grim Tutors for added consistency and not make you feel like you have to play some number of bad cards like Chrome Mox.
and still deathrite shaman and pulse can destroy you, but well, to me, ad nauseam, is a neccesary evil
Deathrite Shaman is mediocre at best against PiF. I rarely have trouble beating it. And with Pulse… Just don't Empty into a Pulse haha. You have Probes and tons of discard to know whether or not Empty would be good against a particular deck or good in a certain situation. You can also flashback Therapies with goblin tokens. With Ad Nauseam, CREATURES can destroy you… Which is very sad. I like not caring about what their stupid Delvers are doing in the first 3 turns.
No it´s damn good. Before, losing to a discard deck was just a really terrible bizzare painful accident... Like t1 DRS and die xx turns later having t2 in hand entire game... Stupid and unfortunate... since printing of Thalia you randomly face lame t2 funhosers that actually kill you... so thats how Zoo players felt all the time... At least that used to be fun for one side of the table, fast and face it, for bringing knife into a gunfight they deserved it... Raping the saying further actual situation is better described like fork vs. spoon in a knifefight, more of a gathering than a magic...
what is this I don't even?
Haha! Yeah my Google translator didn't work when I plugged it in.
Deathrite by himself is not scary.
Deathrite + discard is a bit scariear, since they can get your tutors/bombs/rituals and remove them.
Deathrite + discard + counter is a nightmare.
Does anyone have any advice in regards to the Mono-U OmniTell matchup? I played against it two weeks ago and between their abundance of counterspells, Brainstorms to hide combo pieces, Leylines in the board, and the asymmetrical awesomeness that is Show and Tell, the matchup seems horrible.
I am currently running Adam Prosak's list and any suggestions as to what I should be sideboarding in and out would be appreciated. The fact that they have Leyline in the board makes me feel like I should be boarding out my discard for Carpet of Flowers and Chain of Vapor, but that leaves me with virtually no way to disrupt them.
I have also considered playing a two-of Krosan Grip in my board as it seems like the only reliable way to disrupt Omniscience/Dream Halls. There are two players in my meta who are currently on this deck so I do not mind devoting sideboard cards for specific hate, if necessary.
I played a bunch of test games against someone playing Drew Levin's list (one or two changes tops to the 75). Now granted, we only played pre-sideboard matches so I can't speak for games 2 and 3. They don't run that much counter magic for starters. My opponent only ran 4 Force and 2 Pact of Negation. The two pacts won't often be online before we want to go off so my initial advice would be to not be too afraid to go off. Discard obviously helps a bunch. Vis a vis leylines I think our best strategy is a combination of Xantid Swarms and Chain of Vapors.
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