[Primer] Elves!

[Lemnear]

I had to go away... could not watch Jackie... too painful. But also the other guy had no clue what he was doing... lol.
If people want to take difficult decks they don't know properly to a tournament that is fine...but why do you send those on camera!?!

Because putting her on Feature is SCG self-promotion. Too bad this turned out being the opposite and showed the class and skill of parts of their staff. Goes Hand in Hand with their commentary.

I demand becoming a fly-in to comment on Storm matchups :D

[Zombie]

Yes, it works. The restriction only prevents creatures with a higher power from being declared as attackers. Nothing about an 11-mana instant Overrun.

[Kayradis]

I demand becoming a fly-in to comment on Storm matchups :D

After reading your multiple reports, I have to say I'd probably enjoy that a lot.

[Dice_Box]

I think we (I?) ranted enough about that dark day in Elves! history.

Didn't Danyul or somebody else had the whole thing foiled?

I was thinking about a weird interaction yesterday with [card]Chord Of Calling[/card], Cratherhoof Behemoth and Ensnaring Bridge.

Situation :

Let's say you have 1 card in hand(CoC) and 6-8 Elves (1/1,1/2) and Ensnaring Bridge in play.
Declare Attackers Step, swing with the good old green swarm
Declare Blockers Step, opponent block everything, thinking you're doing a desperate swing.
Before Damage Step, Chords of Calling, fetching my good friend Hoofy Doofy, EtB trigger, gives between +7/+7 or +9/+9 tramble.
Pass Priority.

Will it work or I'm just going way off the road?

That's how it works. Once, when I was playing burn, a guy gave a Jitte to his birds of paradise so he could attack and then pump it. Same deal here only the method is different.

[HammafistRoob]

I saw two of her games previous to the feature match, she was sitting next to me round 2. Her play just goes to show how strong the beatdown plan can be.

[Dice_Box]

That's a strong point to make. I have been playing this for about 2 months now, building and getting a feel for it. Now after all this time I feel like (in my hands) the deck is a Aggro deck first with a combo finisher. Maybe it's my 9ish or so years piloting goblins but I still find it simpler to drop a Symbiote (spelling is bad on my mobile) and then green out a Visionary while I draw to critical mass and hoof.

I mean I can combo, I know how to, I know the cards to keep to do so. I have tried to tweak the deck to be better at combing off, but I still find Hoof is just my primary win condition with Glimpse just being something that I have there, in case I need it.

But if you strip away the rest of the deck and have a very brittle combo. Personally I am thankful for the aggro path because I have seen the deck fold combo wise to a single lighting bolt.

(Note to self. Why are you still awake...)

[Kayradis]

That's the reason why I advocate Ruric Thar main deck!
I mean, the guy is a fairly good, if not great, beater on its own and he hoses down combo and heavy-manipulation/spell dependant decks.

[TsumiBand]

Going through my crap collection the other day I came to realize that I built an Elf deck for my wife like 6 years ago and completely forgot about it, and it could very easily become one of these lists - minus the Cradles probably, but whatever :(

Anyway, I apologize if this is directly addressed in a post somewhere in the history, but what exactly keeps the fatty-based lists from running Fierce Empath? Is it just because there's no longer an impetus to run Eldrazi creatures, so GSZ covers all the creature-tutor bases? Alternatively, if one were to play Emmy in such a list, would it not be advantageous to run a non-zero number of Fierce Empaths to tutor for said Emrakul?

[Zombie]

If you can hardcast Emralolol, you're probably Glimpsing off and drawing a million cards.

Apart from that, all the best win cons sans Mirror Entity are green and thus GSZ/NO-able. The main reason you would ever want something that's not green is for utility.

[Koby]

I had to go away... could not watch Jackie... too painful. But also the other guy had no clue what he was doing... lol.
If people want to take difficult decks they don't know properly to a tournament that is fine...but why do you send those on camera!?!

I have no problem when the quality of players shown - we can use them as learning experiences. It was only Round 5, not the Top 8.

[Zombie]

What I have a problem with:

"That's why she chose a simple deck like Elves. Didn't want to grind those blue mirrors all day."

EDIT: And now Glimpse is the key card to stop in the deck. Engineered Plague is apparently also good. Oh, the deck apparently mulligans well, too.

[Dice_Box]

Found it:
http://www.twitch.tv/scglive/b/427147076
1 hour 23 minutes in.


... This is painful to watch, and Christian is a fool. He could have had a turn 3 Jitte game one... What the hell was he thinking?

[Kayradis]

Like I said all week, it was pretty brutal. Hopefully, we can get Chris Andersen back on camera for some real Elves! action in the near future!

[Zombie]

Subpar play is fine, as long as it isn't made to seem smart. The commentary is far more of an egregious issue IMHO. Easy deck that mulligans well, this ain't.

[andrebonotto]

(...)

Lastly, does anyone have a link to this video? I see you all talk about it buy I have not seen it yet.

http://www.twitch.tv/scglive/b/427147076

R5: Jackie Lee (Elves) VS. Christian Calcano (Esper Deathblade)

01h21m40s:
Comments from Zack Halland and Gerrard Fabiano before the match starts.

01h25m09s:
"She's more of a Standard/Modern player and Limited (...) [that's] probably why she's playing a deck as simple as Elves . (...) Smart deck choice - [to] play a simpler combo deck. (...)"


01h27m22s:
Straight to the start of G1.

...

(EDIT: After I posted this is that I came to read this page, and it seems that my post is redundant. Sorry, but I'm leaving it here for my efforts, )

[nudon]

That's how it works. Once, when I was playing burn, a guy gave a Jitte to his birds of paradise so he could attack and then pump it. Same deal here only the method is different.

Generating counters for jitte doesn't trigger until combat damage is dealt, not upon declaring attackers. You would need 1 counter on jitte prior to the first BoP attack to continue to deal damage.

[Julian23]

Generating counters for jitte doesn't trigger until combat damage is dealt, not upon declaring attackers. You would need 1 counter on jitte prior to the first BoP attack to continue to deal damage.

I think it was pretty clear that the Jitte was already active. The trick was giving it to a 0-toughness creature to continue swinging. That being said, I've had people killed with Noble Hierarch quite some time while being under Ensnaring Bridge.

[nudon]

Initially I thought that too but the board state just seems peculiar to me. In recent memory, the most likely deck running BoP is maverick (pre-DRS). However, maverick used to run 4 noble hierarch, which can get under ensnaring bridge in a grindy match anyway as indicated. I'm not sure why ensnaring bridge would be boarded in since gsz->hierarch provides multiple outs to it when it's probably better to just race. Secondly, the circumstances where jitte gets counters against burn without it being a scoop seems rare in my opinion. Why wasn't the creature bolted with the equip ability on the stack? Under the premise bridge was already out, there's no way to get counters on jitte. Under the premise that bridge was not out yet, it seems logical to bolt the opposing creature since 2 jitte counters equates to 4 life, putting you even farther away from the red zone. I might be reading too much into this but just my opinion.

[Dice_Box]

Ok not sure if this is the best place to talk about my burn match up but here we go.

I watched Jitte come off the back of stone because I misplayed. It had been the first time I had been in that matchup and I was trying to race him. It had tokens on it by the time bridge hit the table (Only 2) and I dropped a top decked Bridge. Bird hit the table, I had nothing in my hand so I needed to top an answer, all I got was land and lava spikes. Quite sad really.

[yuMi-]

Ok not sure if this is the best place to talk about my burn match up but here we go.

I watched Jitte come off the back of stone because I misplayed. It had been the first time I had been in that matchup and I was trying to race him. It had tokens on it by the time bridge hit the table (Only 2) and I dropped a top decked Bridge. Bird hit the table, I had nothing in my hand so I needed to top an answer, all I got was land and lava spikes. Quite sad really.

Bridge shouldn't come in against maverick.