[Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

[davelin]

Royce Walter (Good friend of mine) top 8'd the largest Legacy open ever yesterday and you guys aren't talking about it? God damn shame.

Talked a little bit on a page or two page back, asked and received a breakdown of what Royce faced in the Swiss rounds and how he fared.

[maritlage]

Royce Walter (Good friend of mine) top 8'd the largest Legacy open ever yesterday and you guys aren't talking about it? God damn shame.

Actually I was avidly watching you or Royce play in the final 3 or 4 rounds. His round against Gerard was insane and his play against ANT in the finals was very tight just the variance of nature was not putting good draws on top deck and all on his opponents deck. Otherwise Royce did amazing at the SCG Legacy Open and I was hoping to see him take down the whole thing down and beat U/W/R Delver in the rematch from round 7 or 8.

[jandax]

Then for all its worth I guess I am just a degenerate gambler then but i feel the play is DR. I find PiF with only 4 cantrips and no tutors is the bigger risk then DR.

Four cantrips? Ponder lets you see four cards, Brainstorm three and Probe one. Don't recall which cantrips were in your yard but unless all four were Probes you would have seen more cards than the 7 off a DR...

[Lemnear]

Four cantrips? Ponder lets you see four cards, Brainstorm three and Probe one. Don't recall which cantrips were in your yard but unless all four were Probes you would have seen more cards than the 7 off a DR...

That one isn't quite fair because you can still use the cantrips drawn with DR. My issue is that you simply don't HAVE to gamble for a DR Hand which privides enough Black and Blue mana at the same time to find the kill aside from a thousands of possible combinations which just leave you dead in the water like a a hand with multiple Tutors, Cantrips and lands or a Brunch of Rituals but only a single Brainstorm.

I thought that seeing 9 cards guaranteed with a PIF loop should be more than enough to find one of 4 Infernals, 3 Wishes or an EtW (not counting finding additional cantrips off Ponder/Brainstorm.

[jandax]

Yeah that's where I was trying to get at too. Since nothing is 100%, PiF would have been the best chance at a win given 3 LEDs and three/four cantrips in the yard. But with DR you aren't guaranteed to draw any cantrips, and you're refilling their hand in the process. A self proclaimed "gambling man" should have seen them odds

[phazonmutant]

I 2-2d the Legacy portion of Day 1 in the invitational (losing to BUG Agent and the mirror). Gambled on DimRet instead of going for guaranteed 14 Goblins against Agent and he showed me afterwards he boarded out Pulse. Yup, people still have no idea to play against TES. To be fair, I am also clearly an idiot because I lost against Agent and Tammit67's mull to 5. Matt played very tight throughout the match.

More importantly though, I bought 4 German LEDs. I'll make a post on the Pimp Thread soon

[Tammit67]

Tammit67's mull to 5. Matt played very tight throughout the match.

Whatever helps you sleep at night :p

More importantly though, I bought 4 German LEDs. I'll make a post on the Pimp Thread soon

They look really good. I'm pretty sure I'm the last TES player in America without a pimped out version. Feels bad

[Lemnear]

More importantly though, I bought 4 German LEDs. I'll make a post on the Pimp Thread soon

I beg to differ ... ;)



If you ever see those, come over and say "hi" :D

[Admiral_Arzar]

Whatever helps you sleep at night :p

They look really good. I'm pretty sure I'm the last TES player in America without a pimped out version. Feels bad

Nope, my version is horribly un-pimp. Since my storm staples are some of the first Legacy cards I ever picked up they are beat to shit from overuse (seriously, LEDs, Wishes, Tutors, LPs are all in the 'HP' category). Not to mention the white-bordered Cities of Brass and other offenses against good taste (like all but a few cards being English still).

[phazonmutant]

Whatever helps you sleep at night :p

They look really good. I'm pretty sure I'm the last TES player in America without a pimped out version. Feels bad

I was complimenting your playskill and disparaging my own. Sorry if that was unclear.

Thanks! Yeah, you need to get onboard, those Chronicles City of Brass were so ugly I had to lose as quickly as possible to get them out of sight!

I beg to differ ... ;)

Those are sweet, but they're not likely to be allowed in Star City tournaments. The Head Judges here are strict on alters - following policy, but I think the policy is dumb.

I'll definitely say hi if I ever see you...but not sure when that would be!


Link to pimp: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post740736

[Lemnear]

@alters: as long as all characteristics like Name, Type, manacost and textbox is readable I never had issues with alters in Europe.

@meet & greet: Planning to head to the next BoM in Paris this year. Maybe I'm able to Shake a few hands :D

[phazonmutant]

Royce Walter (Good friend of mine) top 8'd the largest Legacy open ever yesterday and you guys aren't talking about it? God damn shame.

Oh! Missed this. Royce definitely deserves a big congrats! It was great to meet him at Somerset, he's a good guy. Royce, do you think you'll be posting a tournament report?

[Lemnear]

Oh! Missed this. Royce definitely deserves a big congrats! It was great to meet him at Somerset, he's a good guy. Royce, do you think you'll be posting a tournament report?

Royce already did: a Single Page back, dood :)

Royce Walter (Good friend of mine) top 8'd the largest Legacy open ever yesterday and you guys aren't talking about it? God damn shame.

Didn't you recently mention that "there just isn't anything to say about TES right now"? Royce sure did an amazing job among the other storm Pilot in the T8 and I congratz both, but given he used the stock list there's near nothing to talk about :/

[Tammit67]

Didn't you recently mention that "there just isn't anything to say about TES right now"? Royce sure did an amazing job among the other storm Pilot in the T8 and I congratz both, but given he used the stock list there's near nothing to talk about :/

One thing there is to talk about is the boarding plans against Elves. Game 2 against Anderson at the invitational I absolutely wanted Silence over the anti-hate in my hand. i wish I had someone proficient at elves around me to test against.

After talking to Anderson briefly afterwards I asked if he's ever seen silence used against him post board to which he replied "No, I'm usually just used to making a dork turn one then dying before I untap" which sounds about right to me. Certainly a silence walk until turn 3 will win storm the game a majority of the time.

How often will that happen? Well you have to have double silence (on turn 1 and turn 2) then the kill on turn three. This line is more susceptible to being on the draw as turn 1 discard can get through making me think that if it is in fact worthwhile it is better on the play than the draw perhaps.

Honestly I don't even think hatebears out of elves is that big of a deal as teeg generally slows down their ability to Hoof us and tutor for creatures and we can easily find chain/decay under their lessened pressure. It's the hands of turn 1 discard into turn 3 hoof for lethal or near lethal where the bounce/decay doesn't do so much.

I'm going to spend some games tonight testing silence vs traditional boarding, noting whether or not things are more effective on the play. I'm inclination is that silence is useful on their turn 2 especially if they are on the draw but maybe not otherwise.

[sconnell]

Gambled on DimRet instead of going for guaranteed 14 Goblins against Agent and he showed me afterwards he boarded out Pulse. Yup, people still have no idea to play against TES..

One of the things I like about TES is it forces many opponents into something of a catch-22. If they board out creature removal, they're vulnerable to Empty. If they keep it in, they have a dead card against Tendrils.

Xantid swarm adds another dimension to this little mini-game. Plus, we get to play several cards which let us see the opponent's hand, which means it's sometimes possible to see if the coast is clear before going for the goblins.

[Lemnear]

One thing there is to talk about is the boarding plans against Elves. Game 2 against Anderson at the invitational I absolutely wanted Silence over the anti-hate in my hand. i wish I had someone proficient at elves around me to test against.

After talking to Anderson briefly afterwards I asked if he's ever seen silence used against him post board to which he replied "No, I'm usually just used to making a dork turn one then dying before I untap" which sounds about right to me. Certainly a silence walk until turn 3 will win storm the game a majority of the time.

How often will that happen? Well you have to have double silence (on turn 1 and turn 2) then the kill on turn three. This line is more susceptible to being on the draw as turn 1 discard can get through making me think that if it is in fact worthwhile it is better on the play than the draw perhaps.

Honestly I don't even think hatebears out of elves is that big of a deal as teeg generally slows down their ability to Hoof us and tutor for creatures and we can easily find chain/decay under their lessened pressure. It's the hands of turn 1 discard into turn 3 hoof for lethal or near lethal where the bounce/decay doesn't do so much.

I'm going to spend some games tonight testing silence vs traditional boarding, noting whether or not things are more effective on the play. I'm inclination is that silence is useful on their turn 2 especially if they are on the draw but maybe not otherwise.

Matt, I'm used to leave Silence in against deck who only interact on sorcery speed via Thorn, Cannonist, meddling mage, Teeg, Hymn, Thalia and such, instead of boarding Abrupt Decays/Chains/Therapies to deal with them.

Not sure how many cases I covered among my reports and if i did, how many you may have missed as such. i'm perfectly fine Silence-walking my opponents Turn 2 and/or 3 with them sitting on the mentioned cards or on their Natural Orders/Show&Tells.

I think it's a viable option: preventing sorcery speed hate with silence instead of removing it from the field via A.Decay + CoV

[Royce Walter]

Oh! Missed this. Royce definitely deserves a big congrats! It was great to meet him at Somerset, he's a good guy. Royce, do you think you'll be posting a tournament report?

Are you Greg? I posted a quick recap of my matches yesterday.

[davelin]

Matt, I'm used to leave Silence in against deck who only interact on sorcery speed via Thorn, Cannonist, meddling mage, Teeg, Hymn, Thalia and such, instead of boarding Abrupt Decays/Chains/Therapies to deal with them.

Not sure how many cases I covered among my reports and if i did, how many you may have missed as such. i'm perfectly fine Silence-walking my opponents Turn 2 and/or 3 with them sitting on the mentioned cards or on their Natural Orders/Show&Tells.

I think it's a viable option: preventing sorcery speed hate with silence instead of removing it from the field via A.Decay + CoV

I think the typical Silence-walk route involves Silencing during their upkeep. What do we think of Silencing in response to their first creature/sorcery-speed spell during the main phase? I say this because there have been times I've used Silence to walk during upkeep and they found out that they weren't planning to go off that turn so it was wasted.

[beezy]

Gonna be playing TES at SCG Minneapolis this weekend, first legacy tournament in about 5 years. Any tips or suggestions as to not completely flame out?

[Tammit67]

Gonna be playing TES at SCG Minneapolis this weekend, first legacy tournament in about 5 years. Any tips or suggestions as to not completely flame out?

You'll be surprised how little some decks can interact with you preboard. Even if you don't do well, play as many rounds as you can, experience is the best teacher.