Regarding his list, with Mox Diamonds he could run Academy RuinsOriginally Posted by beez
Also, some people always have 4 Engineered Plagues, some don't. Pure meta choice, or is there math involved?
I used to run Eng. Plague but discovered my Meta's tribals were too few. I'd say meta choice. Infest and Perish [moreso with infest] have better killing power then a plague. Goblins seem to be the only sure fire tribal that plague was made to kill due to lack of lords.Regarding his list, with Mox Diamonds he could run Academy Ruins
Also, some people always have 4 Engineered Plagues, some don't. Pure meta choice, or is there math involved?
For creatures, I find my 5-cards of choice to board in are Spinning Darkness x2, Perish x2, and Tainted Aether. Target kill is good, and murdering Goyfs and Nimble Mongoose and Scavenging Ooze and Progenitus is fun.
Todays tourney i went 2-2 with a deck were I ran lightning greaves. But I had better luck when looking for cards in the store! I found 4 Shadow of doubt for 9$ which is cheap. On magiccardmarket they go for 5 euro. Each.
(Yeah, it is the same store that never have the cards I look for.)
So, given that there were no Swords to plowshares in sight, today, I simply replace the greaves with shadows.
Playtest will be next week, of course.
3 Tombstalker
4 Nihilith
4 Bloodghast
3 Phyrexian Negator
4 Smallpox
4 Pox
4 Hymn to Tourach
3 Darkblast
4 Shadow of Doubt
4 The Rack
2 Sensei’s Divining Top
20 Swamp
2 Dakmor Salvage
SIDEBOARD
4 Surgical Extraction
4 Duress
3 Lightning Greaves
4 Perish
@Qweerios: How critical are those two Tabernacles to your game plan? That deck looks sweet as hell (and let's me play my Four Seasons Mishra's Factories) and I hate to be that guy, but man... I do not want to buy Tabernacles. Are they critical to keeping creatures in your opponents hand? You have pretty good tools so long as you're not swarmed, it would seem.
Liliana of the Veil + Cursed Scroll are great ways to keep creatures in your opponents hand. Oh wait, they have to discard them to her lol
I'd be remiss in not echoing this truth.
@Hardcore
How is Negator doing? Do you ever consider HPM (probably not in a heavy creature build?) or Obliterator? Obviously you wouldn't want to run 3 Oblits, but they're the kings of ground combat... And were you running 4 Greaves?
@OmniStrata
Infest is nice, but something in a creature-light build that I've been looking at is Black Sun's Zenith since it persists counters and replaces itself if it's cast. Just a random thought.
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A singleton of a Haunted Plate Mail has been pretty good for me so far in the few games I have played with it, though I sometimes have to use Top to keep it from being drawn too soon and discarded to Liliana before I have the four mana, but it is quite sweet when it finally drops.
@mujadaddy
I had one HPM in the deck last time.
It is not uber but OK. Nice that it can become a creature at instant speed.
Negator is cool but there are probably better creatures. Obliterator perhaps, but he will probably eat swords when get in play.
Besides, evasion, or Obliterator ability, is short of the same thing. I have won games thanks to the fear of nihilith.
Tombstalker has flying.
Greaves: 3
The main problem with BSZ besides being a little slow and mana intensive is that it is not Teeg-proof.
Re: Teeg
I wouldn't think of running more than one BSZ, backed up w/ perishes, but I wasn't thinking of Mr. Teeg, good point. I was thinking of the situation where you had a couple big critters that shrinking would buy you time.
@Hardcore
Yeah, Tomby, Nihilith, Oblit, all eat swords, too though. In a Poxing deck, you do your damnedest to clear that hand out completely before you ever get 4 swamps, and one sword cast is one less sword later on. You can't win every tempo battle.
I see you running 4 Racks above. Do you find 2-cards/1-point coming up often enough to be relevant over Shrieking Affliction? Do they stabilize and have 2-cards in hand enough? That is, do you find that The Rack is 'strictly better'?
Also, the Rack can ping it's damage to a Planeswalker as well.
Ahhh, strictly better then
Using my Shadow of Doubt tech eh? Card is sweet imo.
Your list seems kinda weird. No Liliana? Negator? Don't get me wrong I love Negator but he doesn't seem needed. The most obvious swap to me would be -3 Gator -1 Pox +4 Liliana.
Team Hammafist-We don't take kindly to those who don't take kindly."Got any trade boogas?"
The main reason not to run Obliterator is the mana cost. "Days of Disease " had a cap of two CC for its cards. Legacy is faster than extended so going in the other direction seems questionable. Ultimately it depends on wether or not Obliterator can improve my win percentage.
He is a great blocker, but is he better than nihilith or tombstalker when attacking? He won't be blocked, but neither will they.
As for the rack it is nice to have second line of attack. It works very well with POX, which is a reason for me playing four of them.
Also, liliana doesn't seem to do much for me. Top seemed to have been more usefull last tourney. I think that the threat count is more important in this type of pox, than disruption (got plenty all ready).
Consequently I am open for suggestion for Negator replacements.
Mana cost isn't more than HPM as a one of, and the occasional 'Stalker can cost 4 also. It's a terrible idea if you have fewer than 20 basic swamps, of course. I think the point of having an Oblit is the special ability shutting down the ground game if you get behind. Again, just an idea. Great sexy black beastie.
And regarding the Rack, I was asking about Rack vs Shrieking, not on why it was there
Need to test Withering Wisps
+ 1 Wisp
+1 swamp
-2 Negator
I actually ran that as a 3-of in my pox list with Arenas in the Source Tourney ... 3 or 4 years ago? It was okay, but mana-hungry. I'd lose games with my opponent at 1 or 2 life. The list also had Culling Scales and Chalices (not at the same time of course).
Now though, with Haunted Plate Mail activations costing zero, that could actually work.
I figure the decks will have creatures in play long enough to use the ability. And that my dudes are big enough to handle it.
I'm looking to play test this soon. Seems like it would work really well, especially in monoblack builds.
I'm looking to take this G/B build to an upcoming tourney. Any thoughts?
4 Bayou
4 Mishra's factory
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Bojuka Bog
4 Swamp
4 Lilliana of the Veil
1 Nether Spirit
2 Crucible of Worlds
2 Cursed Scroll
3 Sylvan Library
1 Precocious Deed
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Inquisition oh Kozilek
3 Sinkhole
4 Smallpox
2 innocent Blood
SB
2 Ensnaring Bridge
4 Extirpate
4 Pithing Needle
2 Pernicious Deed
1 Innocent Blood
2 Disfigure
@Dwell
Abrupt Decay won't hit Jace (or other 4cc enchantments), and you don't have a lot of creatures to deal with him otherwise... Disfigure should probably be a sweeper instead (infest, perish), although you do have the Deeds, which hit your Sylvan & Liliana... 4 Legendary Urborgs always makes me uncomfortable, too, which is why I tend not to splash. And maybe split 3 IoK/1 Duress? I don't know the current thinking on this.
Just thoughts from someone who's not been playing very much, so take them as such.
Personally, I hate the Land Destruction path, and respect discard more in a format where 4cc is enormous.
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