Oo year. I forgot about that. They also run Bob's.Originally Posted by Barook
Hi guys, I have decided for evolving the deck with the black, wait for comments.
4 Mother of Runes
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Noble Hierarch
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Dryad Arbor
3 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
1 Plains
1 Forest
1 Karakas
4 Wasteland
1 Gaea's Cradle
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Cavern of Souls
2 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Thespian's Stage
1 Dark Depths
1 Scrubland
1 Bayou
3 Dark Confidant
2 Mirran Crusader
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Deathrite Shaman
SB: 1 Oblivion Ring
SB: 1 Gaddock Teeg
SB: 2 Choke
SB: 2 Rest in Peace
SB: 1 Surgical Extraction
SB: 3 Thoughtseize
SB: 1 Krosan Grip
SB: 2 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1 Path to Exile
SB: 1 Thrun, the Last Troll
Thanks for all
Since I lack the Groves, Taiga and Plateau on MODO and don't want to drop money on it yet, I'm looking for some playtesting on Cockatrice since the general deck/player quality there is pretty poor.
The Dark Punishing Maverick build looks like it has potential. Having extra removal at hand is pretty handy in fair creature match-ups. Although the mana base indeed looks like a clusterfuck.
@Tombstalker: PF can also combat enemy Planeswalkers, which is pretty nice to have.
... Yeah you guys. I'm probably just gonna sell my deck. I think its hilarious that this forum just got the recognition it always deserved; by becoming an established "G/W" Maverick build, and all of you start this GWB nonsense and yeah Thalia is freaking ridiculous considering you have to build part of your manabase around her ( the only damn reason why shes even in the deck is primarily because of what she does to OTHER deck builds) I'm sorry, I thought this was aggro Maverick, not defensive Maverick... Whatever I have much more to say, but its not worth it anyways.. Here's my build if it helps any of you:
4Knight of The Reliquary
4Mother of Runes
4Noble Hierarch
3Qasali Pridemage
3Stoneforge Mystic
3Aven Mindcensor
2Scavenging Ooze
2Scryb Ranger
2Umezawa's Jitte
1Sword of Light and Shadow
2Sylvan Library
4Swords to Plowshares
4Green Suns Zenith
2Elspeth, knight Errent
1Forest
1Plains
2Temple Garden
3Savannah
4Windswept Heath
3Horizon Canopy
3Wasteland
2Misty Rainforest
1Dryad Arbor
Any questions please ask... Ill try and help with my collective knowledge of the meta game and what not, but I don't have much faith in this deck anymore...
Nice temple gardens bro.
Posting my updated list for suggestions/comments. Biggest change was removing Aven Mindcensors for a SFM package and adding the 4th Thalia to MD. I probably have the least amount of experience of any of you guys so any criticism is appreciated. I'll be taking this to a couple small local tournaments this weekend and potentially the open in Baltimore next week.
Main
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Mother of Runes
4 Thalia
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Scavenging Ooze
3 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 GSZ
1 Sylvan Library
1 Jitte
1 Batterskull
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
4 Wasteland
4 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
2 Horizon Canopy
2 Forest
1 Plains
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Maze of Ith
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Karakas
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Cavern of Souls
Side
2 Choke
3 Oblivion Ring
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Rest in Peace
1 Loxodon Smiter
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Linvala
Even though GWb may be the right direction, I'm mostly looking for tweaks on the standard GW until I pick up a couple bayous which wouldn't be in this upcoming week anyways.
I would like to discuss the new Theros spoiler:
Polukranos, World-Eater
Legendary Creature - Hydra
XMonstrosity X. (If this creature isn’t monstrous, put X +1/+1 counters on it and it becomes monstrous.)
When Polukranos, World Eater becomes monstrous, it deals X damage divided as you choose among any number of target creatures your opponents control. Each of those creatures deals damage equal to its power to Polukranos.
5/5
It might be an upgrade to Master of the Wild Hunt - in the end, it comes down to immunity to Karakas vs immunity to Bolts. Polukranos could also do some insane things in builds with Cradle. Aside from killing a few dudes, it's realistically an 8/8 or 9/9 after pumping which trumps most of the creatures in the format.
EDIT: It's now back to XX
On another topic: (Artifact) recursion
I'm kinda annoyed that destroyed equipment is lost forever, e.g. SoFaF vs. BUG since it downright wins games. An Eternal Witness/Volrath's Stronghold package might sound interesting since you can tutor for both, but the question whether or not those cards fit into the general game plan.
Fair enough, otherwise, I would have suggested DRS.
I would probably run SoFaF in the maindeck. I recently added it and I love it - good against GB/x decks, control and combo. There are also those nifty interactions, e.g. when equiping it to a Dryad Arbor to turn it into a creature with vigilance.
RiP is bad for you since it makes your Knights crappy.
In general, I would rather run an E-Tutor board to fish for silver bullets. That also opens up sideboard slots. Both Tormod's Crypt and Grafdigger's Cage are nice GY hate target and fulfill different purposes.
If you meta is BUG infested, Master of the Wild Hunt might be interesting for you as well since he kills DRS like a champ.
I play GW too. Your deck looks similar to mine. I don't play stone forge. I play 2 mind censors 2 jittes and 1 thrun .
Thurn is a lot better then I expected. Try one out vs heavy removal decks. He's a beast. mind censor is good with 4 thalia becuase it gives you a heavy land disrupion style. 2 jittes becuase 9/10 times thats the equitment you want.
Thanks. I need them just in case I get a Surgical Extraction played on my Savannahs. Surprisingly though, they don't come out as often because I'm usually able to kill my opponent in less turns than I would need to play them.. The opponents I can kill anyway
Don't run Thalia, It makes the deck look weak (which it isn't). I'm pretty sure that Karakas is there partly because of Thalia as well.. Jesus, Thalia is screwing this deck (Maverick) up one card at a time -_- .. Cant even cast GSZ correctly or your own STPs.. I also think that one more Sylvan Library wouldn't hurt (CA is important in an aggro/disrupt deck) One more Canopy too. People on here wouldn't believe it, but it works awesome with Sylvan
Don't run Thalia, It makes the deck look weak (which it isn't). I'm pretty sure that Karakas is there partly because of Thalia as well.. Jesus, Thalia is screwing this deck (Maverick) up one card at a time -_- .. Cant even cast GSZ correctly or your own STPs.. I also think that one more Sylvan Library wouldn't hurt (CA is important in an aggro/disrupt deck) One more Canopy too. People on here wouldn't believe it, but it works awesome with Sylvan
Look here playa. Maverick needs Thalia its the only card that gives you a shot vs control decks , combo decks and some heavy removal aggro decks. The card is the only reason this deck can even have a fair shot vs most decks.
So how exactly do you plan on beating any remotely competitive combo deck without Thalia? Did you notice that Maverick became competitive mostly because of Thalia making the deck not auto-Lose to Storm?
YES what AYS says..just forget thalia even exists. She's bad very bad.. I would invite you to post in the DnT thread as well please :)
-The Treefolk MasterYou just sent him to the place were brain cells go to die. The Las Vegas of The Source, if you will.
also, I'm pretty sure the Karakas isn't there because of Thalia. Actually, if you aren't running Karakas, you probably are doing something wrong.
I posted about thalia in a diff thread regarding her inclusion. Its relevant here.
@ Thalia, she is included strictly so I dont get blown out by combo decks. Since I can protect her with mother, that means that she'll not be answered easily by the other decks. The list of decks she affects is
High tide
ANT
TES
Belcher
ONMI-derp <----complete blow out if protected.
are there other combo's going on? enchantress....
S&T & other decks that cantrip, including rug, UR, miracles, UB tempo decks with stifle
Shardless (slows the cascade very minimally but still)
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Hmm, seems the moronic index is high this weekend. Thalia is a pretty good reason to play both D&T and Maverick in a given metagame. Without her, I'd sooner play Vial Bant with Clique and Daze and FoWs.
As long as Legacy continues to be centered on efficient spells (StP, Brainstorm, Abrupt Decay, Lightning Bolt, etc) Thalia will be good. She's too damn good when paired with Wasteland against such decks.
Additionally, any argument with the premise that an opponent to Surgical Extractions your dual land is one that I reject and dismiss categorically. This is poor justification for including inferior lands in a two color deck. Play more basics or fetches instead. Actually, play more Wasteland first.
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Sorry Koby, but I'm gonna have to use your post as my whole reply thing considering there is a lot of individuals I have to respond to about my post. First off, I don't think anybody is seeing the bigger picture here, if your running cards like Thalia simply because of the prevalence of (how Koby puts it so adequately) "efficient" spells your are basically making up for the fact that, you yourself, don't have efficient spells. There is an expression that I could use here that would COMPLETELY fit Mavericks situation in the next couple of years and its that you can dress a pig up in a tuxedo, but when it comes to etiquette and manners, its still a pig! Using Thalia as the tuxedo and wrapping the pig (the decks that are already screwing up Mavericks build in order to win against certain decks; might I add that some of those decks are winnable simply because maverick is aggro) with it isn't going to make the lil bugger any more desirable.. Well, maybe :3 but that's in the literal sense. You Koby (in a sense) are exactly on the money with Mavericks problems, as long as legacy is centered around efficient spells, we creature/aggro based strategists are going to be hit HARD. That being said, would it not make sense to go with the flow of super-efficient spells and finally snatch us up some winnings and quite possibly some.. Earnings
SB:... Yeah you guys. I'm probably just gonna sell my deck. I think its hilarious that this forum just got the recognition it always deserved; by becoming an established "G/W" Maverick build, and all of you start this GWB nonsense and yeah Thalia is freaking ridiculous considering you have to build part of your manabase around her ( the only damn reason why shes even in the deck is primarily because of what she does to OTHER deck builds) I'm sorry, I thought this was aggro Maverick, not defensive Maverick... Whatever I have much more to say, but its not worth it anyways.. Here's my build if it helps any of you:
4Knight of The Reliquary
4Mother of Runes
4Noble Hierarch
3Qasali Pridemage
3Stoneforge Mystic
3Aven Mindcensor
2Scavenging Ooze
2Scryb Ranger
2Umezawa's Jitte
1Sword of Light and Shadow
2Sylvan Library
4Swords to Plowshares
4Green Suns Zenith
2Elspeth, knight Errent
1Forest
1Plains
2Temple Garden
3Savannah
4Windswept Heath
3Horizon Canopy
3Wasteland
2Misty Rainforest
1Dryad Arbor
Any questions please ask... Ill try and help with my collective knowledge of the meta game and what not, but I don't have much faith in this deck anymore...
3Pithing Needle
3Gaddock Teeg
1Bojuka Bog
Annnnd.. Help me out
Funny thing actually, I've never done any research on DnT :P . Let me look into it and I'll let you know what I find
Maverick is a midrange aggro deck. Meaning its a slow deck that wins mid game. Therefore vs other faster decks you can get ran over. The deck plays disructive cards like Thalia, mind censor , and teeg ect. To slow decks down so it can win mid late game. You need Thalia bro. SorrySorry Koby, but I'm gonna have to use your post as my whole reply thing considering there is a lot of individuals I have to respond to about my post. First off, I don't think anybody is seeing the bigger picture here, if your running cards like Thalia simply because of the prevalence of (how Koby puts it so adequately) "efficient" spells your are basically making up for the fact that, you yourself, don't have efficient spells. There is an expression that I could use here that would COMPLETELY fit Mavericks situation in the next couple of years and its that you can dress a pig up in a tuxedo, but when it comes to etiquette and manners, its still a pig! Using Thalia as the tuxedo and wrapping the pig (the decks that are already screwing up Mavericks build in order to win against certain decks; might I add that some of those decks are winnable simply because maverick is aggro) with it isn't going to make the lil bugger any more desirable.. Well, maybe :3 but that's in the literal sense. You Koby (in a sense) are exactly on the money with Mavericks problems, as long as legacy is centered around efficient spells, we creature/aggro based strategists are going to be hit HARD. That being said, would it not make sense to go with the flow of super-efficient spells and finally snatch us up some winnings and quite possibly some.. Earnings
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