Sorry for the question, but what are the 2 towers you're referring to?Originally Posted by TheArchitect
Ignorance is strength
Volrath's Stronghold and Phyrexian Tower. Stronghold has gotten worse since the printing of DRS, however.
Two Towers (not Twin Towers, my bad; Lord of the Rings reference) are Phyrexian Tower and Volrath's Stronghold.
Phyrexian Tower gives you a sacrifice outlet for your creatures to re-use their Enter/Leaves Battlefield trigger every turn by putting it on top of your library with Volrath's Stronghold. Phyrexian Tower also gives your creatures protection from being exiled with Swords to Plowshares and it conveniently produces the exact mana to use Volrath's Stronghold.
This is especially nice with Thragtusk (gain 5 life and get a 3/3 whenever you use it) and Eternal Witness (Regrowth whenever you use it). You can tutor easily for them with a GSZ for 6 on Primeval Titan.
Edit: Architect was a whopping 7 minutes faster.
Thank you, I was missing what they were because I was thinking of animated lands
Ignorance is strength
Thoughts on new Elspeth?
Loyalty: 4
Casting Cost: 4WW
Card Text: +1: Put three 1/1 white Soldier creature tokens onto the battlefield.
-3: Destroy all creatures with power 4 or greater.
-7: You get an emblem with "Creatures you control get +2/+2 and have flying."
Seems expensive but some nice abilities. Again, ridiculous with doubling season.
Hey guys. As i said, i liked Qweerios Wish approach to the deck very much, but at the same time, i'm having a great time with the PF build, with a list that's very similar to HoneyT's. Then, i tried to mix both list, and i would very much appreciate thoughts on the following list.
Lands (23):
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
2 Bayou
1 Taiga
1 Badlands
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Kessig Wolf Run
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Bloodstained Mire
3 Forest
2 Swamp
1 Mountain
Creatures (14):
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Eternal Witness
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
2 Thragtusk
1 Primeval Titan
Spells (23):
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Suns's Zenith
3 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Punishing Fire
4 Burning Wish
2 Abrupt Decay
3 Pernicious Deed
Planeswalker (1):
1 Garruk, Primal Hunter
Sideboard:
3 Red Elemental Blast
2 Carpet of Flowers
2 Surgical Extration
1 Innocent Blood
1 Thoughtseize
1 Pyroclasm
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Slaughter Games
1 Reverent Silence
1 Massacre
1 Ruination / Tsunami
My principal concern is that this list may not have enough disruption MB to compensate lack of sideboard imposed by BW, especially against combo, meaning that BW in this list might be a little too slow to justify its inclusion. What do you think? For example, i could easily see 1 tusk and one huntmaster coming of to make space for a couple of thoughtseizes or Lilianas, as in Tao's list. Btw, thanks for answering, Tao. I like list with more creatures, but Lilys sure are awesome. Very tempting....
List I'm registering tomorrow:
// Lands
1 [ME2] Underground Sea
2 [U] Tropical Island
4 [6E] Forest
1 [5E] Island
2 [M14] Swamp
2 [R] Bayou
4 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
4 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
1 [US] Phyrexian Tower
// Creatures
1 [FNM] Eternal Witness
1 [EVE] Glen Elendra Archmage
4 [PC2] Baleful Strix
4 [WL] Veteran Explorer
3 [RTR] Deathrite Shaman
1 [FNM] Kitchen Finks
1 [M11] Grave Titan
1 [CMD] Scavenging Ooze
1 [M12] Acidic Slime
1 [FNM] Murderous Redcap
1 [M13] Thragtusk
1 [NPH] Deceiver Exarch
1 [M12] Phantasmal Image
1 [LRW] Shriekmaw
// Spells
2 [RTR] Abrupt Decay
4 [FNM] Cabal Therapy
1 [EX] Recurring Nightmare
4 [NPH] Birthing Pod
2 [JGC] Pernicious Deed
4 [5E] Brainstorm
// Sideboard
SB: 1 [RTR] Abrupt Decay
SB: 2 [ZEN] Mindbreak Trap
SB: 2 [M10] Negate
SB: 3 [LRW] Thoughtseize
SB: 1 [BOK] Umezawa's Jitte
SB: 2 [7E] Arcane Laboratory
SB: 1 [DGM] Notion Thief
SB: 1 [JGC] Vendilion Clique
SB: 2 [RTR] Golgari Charm
Tested Stronghold and it was worse than a Dryad Arbor, second Tower, or fetch and it eventually became a fetch to help support the Brainstorms (which have been a nice, efficient spell for smoothing out the early game. top and sylvan are much clunkier). Once this deck has gas it continues to have gas forever so there's no real need for more continual advantage effects.
Speaking of which, Recurring Nightmare is absolutely bonkers and I almost want a second one over the fourth Birthing Pod. Even against dedicated Deathrite decks the game eventually reaches a point that Recurring busts wide open.
Thanks everyone for the help on the list.
does anyone tried a nic-fit list without a pernicious deed?
The list looks good I'd say. It has a high emphasis on lower drops and might be a bit thin on 4-drops, but with their Persist and careful play this should be doable. Nightmare seems good, it will still own games and I like the SB.
But there is one last small thing that I think should be improved: You have 4 Forest, 1 Island, 4 Balefuxl Strix, 4 Brainstorm. I think 3 Forest, 2 Island would do better. The only deep green card you have is Ooze.
Good luck at SCG!
I guess everyone did at some point and came back to play 2-4 after running into Goblins, Merfolk, Maverick, Death and Taxes, Enchantress, Staxx, Elves, Dragon Stompy, Imperial Painter or Dredge or after realizing he had no outs against Entreat the Angels and Empty the Warrens.does anyone tried a nic-fit list without a pernicious deed?
I play with punishing fire, so i only need 2 deeds. I also added 2 Jund Charm's, which fills a very similar role against swarm decks and have some other benefits (graveyard hate, combat tricks) be an instant also helps. Sometimes, deed+activation isnīt fast enough.does anyone tried a nic-fit list without a pernicious deed?
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Umm just a random idea, and not sure if this is time for the tournament or if it is a real thing, but Meloku out of Pod sounds like it is super good.
we can also try young pyromancer on nic-fit without pernicious deed? since we have plenty of instant/sorcery spells :)
Caleb is at 4-2 now at SCG, fighting back from a 1-2 start.
And....he got a deck tech. 5-2 also.
http://t.co/67ctOD8NHa
That list he ran looks MUCH better. His creature choices seem really solid. I like the Brainstorms, deed and decays being there. The SB looks much better. I'm not sold on arcane lab, but I'll be honest I haven't tested it. My gut tells me 4 FoW in the SB is ok since there is actually a pretty high blue count post board. I hope he gets some money at least.
Also, like he said, among other combo decks that list looks great against reanimator (which other nic fit lists always have a lot of trouble with).
Hey Tao (and anyone else on the Lilliana boat)-
I've never liked playing with Lilliana except with P-Fire or Recurring Nightmare, it just always felt bad to +1 her unless I didn't have a hand. Most of the time she ended up being a 3CMC Edict. It seems like a lot of the better players really like her, so I assume I'm doing something wrong when I play with Lilliana. Can you sell me on her?
Also, I noticed Tao took out the Probes in favor of Inquisition. This is exactly what I did in my BUG build, except with Thoughtseize. Why not Thoughtseize?
Aside: I'm interested to hear a report from Caleb. Noticed he lost R8 (R9 hasn't been posted yet); I think that loss knocked him out of the money brackets. Too bad, seems like the T8 would have some good Nic Fit matchups.
congrats to caleb for finishing a good standing, em i right 6-3 is his final standing?
Was Caleb ever on camera? What round? Probably not since he wasn't at the top i guess..
Correct.
Ayotte:
I don't think he was.
Think so. And one of the losses was a bad luck misplay against Maverick.
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