that's one hell of a sexy deck tho. Is that the foil Sisay deck I hear so much about? Or is that yours (I know you yourself have one hell of a nice deck too)
That board state looks awesome. I bet the S&T player was not amused.
Has anybody a Sisay list available?
I'd say start with a standard list that plays Jitte, Scryb Ranger, Karakas and maybe Cradle. Then add Sisay, Linvala and Sigarda in the flex slots where people play Library or Elspeth and see how it performs.
ok just got home from a rather small tournament, we were 16 players in total, 4 rounds and then a top8. Quick report:
R1 Elves
Lost terribly. G1 I kept a hand with Swords and abrupt decay some lands and something else. Was not enough. G2 I boarded in more decays, some discard, tutor and canonist. Got canonist and teeg out rather early but he killed them with abrupt decays and I didnt have a mom to protect.
R2 Elves
Lost terribly. G1 I got a teeg out early and the game went on for like 40mins. Eventually my life went really low cus of Bobs and sylvan library. And I couldn't really do any damage on him becuase I had no mom(he kills me with deathrite activations. Didnt have any of my own. Sucks that teeg shuts off my gsz too!). G2 I couldnt find any of my hate after a mull to 5 and he kills me with a progenitus turn 5
R3 High Tide
He fails with this combo G1 and I eventually kill him with Knights. 100% lucky, he had high tides going on and on time spiral he drew 5-6 lands... -_-. G2 I mull to 5 to find any of my hate that I have plenty of. Cant find anyhing and lose turn 5. G3 I mull to 5 and find a Thalia which he forces and I dont find anything else and he eventually wins.
R4 Homebrew Vampire-Painter.dec. Lol
G1 he plays Vampire Lacerator x2 and is stuck on 1 Swamp all game. G2 He gets manaflooded and I win.
So.. 1-3 in total. Can't say I'm very happy about this. Elves is a really tough matchup and feels like I need Jitte to win. High tide should be a rather good matchup with 3 thalias MD and more hate SB.
I had fun though, and gonna keep playing this deck!
Originally Posted by litenkatt
Begs the question. How many Jittes and Stoneforges in the deck? This is ones of the reasons 2 x Jitte is performing so well for me. Elves have been quite good matchup for me. ( of course 3 x decay MD helps alot too with 4 x stop. )
A Dark Maverick reached the second seed for Top 8 in the current SCG:
Decklist
Notable cards: Stage/Depths combo and Chains of Mephistopheles in the sideboard.
Was playing the list you posted with +1 Karakas MD -1 cradle
Hi, new to the forum, my name is Jacob Lindy, and I just top eight the scg philly. If I had planned on writing a tournament report I would have taken better notes, but I'm writing now while it is fresh. A couple things to note about deck choices. I have traditionally been a junk player, and I started playing junk to be the most powerful fair deck to chomp other fair decks. Recently, I have not been able to keep up with the card advantage of bug and stoneblade, and decided to go with MoM protection and switch over to maverick. So I went with the black splash, and was very happy with it. Dark confidant was very useful, and he helped close games out and rebuild my hand after I dumped my hand. With my sideboard, I built it mostly with my experience in junk. There were two important considerations I needed as a base, against removal light combo decks that could win fast I would need to remove 8, moms and stoneforge package. Aven mindcensors could go in and keep my threat density high. Chains of Mephistopholes is a fun one of that is pretty one sided and provides great attrition against blue decks, elves, and others.
Round 1: Nic Fit
My round 1 opponent was a jund nic fit deck. Game 1 I get out umezawa's jitte and a couple hate bears. Veteran Explorer dies and he brings out thragtusk. He blocks and I am able to kill it with jitte. Next turn he plays prime time and I can again kill it. I finally swing lethal, my board consists of bob, 2 moms, thalia, and knight.
Game 2, he is on the play veteran explorer I swords. He then plays a second, I follow up with deathrite and heirarch. He is unable to sacrifice and I attack into it, flashing in mindcensor with trigger on the stack. Searching for two lands while my opponent finds none felt kind of evil, but I was happy to do it. He ended the game without drawing a swamp with 2 deed's stuck in hand.
2-0
Round 2: Esper Stoneblade
Game 1, I play mom and he plays removal. He then plays lingering souls, so I zenith for ooze and eat souls in yard. A bit more removal and I then follow up with mom and knight. I am about to assemble the combo, he plays jace but is unable to find Swords so takes 20.
Game 2, I sideboarded in Bog, and zealous persecution and surgical extraction, taking out one wasteland, and qasali pridemade and 1 heirarch. I figured his deck has a lot of basics, and so wasteland would not be as useful. I end up drawing the remaining 3 that game and end up wasting turn 1, 3 and 4. Nothing sticks on either side, he plays stoneforge 3 times, but never gets a chance to hit. I play combo and he swords it. With 34 life, I get out Thalia and then 2 dark confidants. once he gets to the chance to attack with feast and famine, I allow it, saccing canopy to draw a card which I discard (leaving me with zealous persecution). Main phase 2, he plays his own dark confidant at 6. Tapped out with thalia on the board I just persecution and swing for nine. He did not know what my deck was, and did not sideboard correctly, he left supreme verdict out.
2-0
Round 3: Goblins
Game 1, I have a hand of mom thalia and batterskull. He has turn 1 lackey. I offer trade. I ultimately draw all 3 thalias and no action, he slowly builds up a board to win.
Game 2, I brought in elspeth, maze, and zealous persecutions and aven mindcensors, taking out the combo and teeg and I think qasali pridemages. He has a board with lots of goblins including piledrivers sparksmith and sharpshooter. I have 2 knights, and when he goes to swing for 100 I zealous persecution. He knocks me down to 5 and bolts twice, I swords my own knight up to 15 life. I have very few outs for his lethal swing next turn and he has vial on five with siege gang in hand. I topdeck elspeth and fly over for lethal.
Game 3, thalia and mom provide some protection. He swings multiple times getting in for a couple damage while losing a guy each turn to thalia while doing so. I sided the combo back in, and was able to swing for 20.
3-0
Round 4; Tin Fin
Game 1, I see its combo right away and decide to build against a possible show and tell. Once he shallow graves he wins game 1 without me being able to do much. Game 2, I keep a hand with chains but he goes off on turn 1. Its a fun deck to watch, but when they draw 28 cards with griselbrand on turn 1, well not much I can do. If he did not go off turn 1, and he was on a mulligan, then I win that game, (probably still lose game 3, but oh well).
3-1
Round 5: Shardless Bug
Game 1, we trade resources and he has a number of guys out. I ignore his card drawing because I get out mom and thalia and knight. I start to assemble the combo, he kills mom, I give knight pro green in response. He then plays sower of temptation, I get combo in response. He is tapped out so I untap, swords and swing lethal. Thalia is an allstar against this deck. He drew six extra cards and hymned me, but was unable to actually do anything relevant.
Game 2, I don't remember what happened, but I lost according to my life totals.
Game 3, I beat him down with 2 knights and his goyfs cant do anything to stop it.
4-1
Round 6: Shardless Bug
Game 1, I assemble the combo, he is unfamiliar with it, and takes 20 damage.
Game 2, I build a board presense with thalia and jitte, but he demolishes me with pernicious deed. I really did not see it coming. I recover with knight and assemble the combo.
The only play of note this match is when he play's lili and ticks down to kill my knight, I fetch for dryad arbor and sac to lili. He has an untapped wasteland but allows the lili to resolve.
5-1
Round 7: Show and Tell
Game 1, I play deathrite shaman and pass. He fetches for basic island and plays ponder. With this line of play I correctly assume he is on show and tell, it could have been a couple other decks, but without fetching for a duel land here, I have to assume combo. I untap and green sun zenith for teeg. This stranded another GSZ in my hand, but it turns off a turn 2 loss. I then get out two knights. I have potential lethal in two turn but he cunning wishes for wipe away. If I attack with both knights, its not lethal, but if I attack with one, he can get the other, making it a three turn clock. So instead I pass, he plays a land and passes. I play thalia, he then cunning wishes for slaughter pact but is tapped out. I do the math and swing for lethal, he cant pact and pay next turn.
Game 2, I side out my moms and stoneforge package again. I get teeg out, and then cleverly cast mindcensor to stifle his fetch trigger, and he grabs land anyway. I thoughtseize and he then brainstorms, revealing Brainstorm, brainstorm, city, island, fetch, and enter the infinite. While he cannot cast enter the infinite, I have to assume that he will be able to show and tell omniscience out with cunning wish back up. So I decide to play it safe and take enter the infinite. He does as I feared, but it leaves me with a relevant board and qasali pridemage. I kill his omniscience, and cunning wish is unable to do anything relevant under teeg. He grabs intuition, and I give him force which he cannot play. I won that game. As a note, I had the ideal situation for aven mindcensor there but it did nothing relevant, it was a 2/1 and he said so as well. The intuition I stopped was only because he didnt have a permanent answer for teeg. So overall I think I should remove the mind censors and put in lingering souls or possibly something else.
I love playing this match up.
6-1
Round 8: Punishing Jund
There is a bit of a language barrier here. I am able to waste away his groves, and keep him off punishing fire the whole match. In game 1, thalia and deathrite did work, and then knight and bob joined them. He was at 3 life with a tapped deathrite shaman, I pass, and on his endstep, attempt to exile a spell which he then exiles in response. I have 4 creatures he has 3. I untap and exile a second spell knocking him to 1 and swinging for lethal. He would have stabilized but was too little too slow.
Game 2, I keep a hand with waste, fetch, canopy, swords, life from the loam, and knight. He plays turn 1 deathrite, I swords it. I waste, and then life from the loam 2 lands back into my hand. He gets another deathrite out, and I decide not to dredge. I play knight, taking a damage with canopy. He plays lili, makes me sac and then wastes my canopy. I untap play bob and waste and pass. He ticks up, I discard batterskull, he discards ancient grudge. I untap, play pridemage, swing into lili he blocks and loses his guy. I then play fetch (revealed from bob). He then argues I played a land this turn I argue otherwise, after ten minutes of discussing with the judge they rule in my favor. At that point I realize the shaman he blocked with is still on the board and I have way too much of a headache to argue it or demand to see graveyard, it doesnt matter so I say nothing. His turn he kills bob with engineered plague and then minus lili. Since pridemage is all i have left I happily sac it to kill sylvan library (over the plague) in stead of playing the sprite from my hand (the reason why I needed the extra land.) I draw knight, next turn swing, realize its only 4 damage and so I start building him up with fetching and also building my board. After a couple turns he angrilly scoops and says why wasn't I attacking earlier why build up in stead. I told him it was to keep fetch open for bojuka bog and to prevent me from dying to wasteland, he mentioned he has no hand (which I thought had 3 cards, I know it had life from the loam).
7-1
Round 9: RUG Delver
I am in ninth place so have to play.
Game 1 I lead with mom. He then casts gitaxian probe, I cringe as I expect to lose to storm or TES or something. But then he bolts mom so grixis or rug. I cast a second mom and a shaman. His turn he gets goyf, so rug, and I silently cheer (I am not a pro, I don't do as much testing as I probably should, but my brother plays rug so I can say I know this match up as well as anyone alive). I get out scryb sprite, and two noble heirarchs. With exalted triggers I am able to deal 3 damage a turn, block his goyf and return arbor elf, and using deathrite multiple times each turn. He is finally able to bolt mom, and stifle mom trigger, and then bolt sprite. He is at 6 with goyf and 1/1 mongoose, staring down a 5/5 scavenging ooze. Writing on the wall, game 2.
Game 2 I have 2 moms thalia and bob to his goyfs. I figure things are going well until he drops sulfer elemental and promptly eats my face.
Game 3 he was unable to get any damage in against me. Mom and thalia provided protection and then I get knights. When he is tapped out I play bojuka bog shrinking his team, and he scoops.
For sideboarding this match I did not do much, I sided out stoneforge package. Its a lot of mana to work through stifles and wastelands, and brought in chains and life from the loam. I may have just sided out batterskull of the package.
Top Eight Sneak and Show
I played against Brian, and knew he was playing sneak and show.
Game 1, I get out karakas and thalia and knight but it was not enough. He hits me griselbrand (through sneak attack) then draws 7. At this point I have to assume he has emrakul. the next turn I try to empty my hand to leave me karakas after the annihilator trigger. If I karakas before attackers are declared he sacs lotus petal and does it again. I lose all my stuff, fishing for a top deck qasali pridemage to deal with sneak attack. I missed and went on to game 2.
Game 2, I understand this was talked about a bit. I keep a hand with swords, knight, stage, savannah, dark depths, green sun zenith, and one other card. I lead off with gsz for arbor elf. My game plan for this game was to not grab teeg because snow and tell goes under it. Turn 2 I dropped stage, and passed, leaving mana untapped hoping he would ramp to show and tell. He ramps, but smells something fishy and passes. I play dark depths and pass. Brian plays a land and passes, I endstep combo. I play thalia to try and see whats up, he forces. I then swing 20. At that point I no longer have white mana, which was a mistake for my knowledge, but overall right, he had misdirection in his hand. He Intothe breaches griselbrand, blocks and draws 7. His next turn is able to sneak attack and attack with an emrakul making me sac everything. I still have land and swords in hand, but he had the second emrakul. Props to BBD for a great match and I would have liked to have seen him win it all.
Overall, and my summation will be short because I am tired and took way too much time already...I was unhappy with batterskull and aven mindcensor. Surgical extraction only came in once or twice, but I feel it is necessary, perhaps duress/inquisition would be better. Chains came in a few times but I never got it on the field, in the past it has been a hoser (more so with lili). Bojuka bog I was happy with, and it shrunk many a goyf. Maze of ith was only really useful a couple times, but it was an allstar in the games I needed it. I really like the versatility, and really like the dark depths combo. I don't think I am forcing it or dedicating too much space, there were also times when I was able to copy horizon canopy and wasteland with stage. The couple times I drew dark depths, just incentive me to play to the combo and knight out the second piece. I would definitely play the combo again. Let me know what you guys think, I was back up two rounds in stream, but I don't believe I made the camera.
With the two matches I lost, if its turn 1 we can't really do much about it, that's the cost of being the good guys. Against sneak and show...I got nothing. I am I think 0 and 3 playing against this match up with a combined junk/maverick in tournaments, and testing feels like pulling teeth. Let me know what you think, how do we win against this dread... Sigarda? Humility? Oblivion Ring (which doesn't)? Lingering Souls?
Well it was first major top 8 for me, I was happy with it, and will probably stick with maverick. Glad to bring it back to the forefront, and I hope for a win for the next guy.
Way too long for my first post...good night.
@longshot0086: Thanks for the report!
I assume the 1 Heath is a budget choice/whatever because with your current land configuration, it seems rather suboptimal to not run 4 Heats.
What would you run instead of Batterskull? A second Jitte? Or Sword of Feast and Famine?
As far as S&T is concerned, a proper sideboard goes a long way to fight them. KotR/Karakas help to handle random S&T fat, so the card you absolutely have to stop is Sneak Attack which is the main way they can win against you. Teeg can only go that far (I've seen S&T for Sneak Attack under Teeg before), so a Pithing Needle or Phyrexian Revoker in an E-Tutor package (with O-Ring for more anti-S&T hate) is absolutely crucial here.
E-Tutor into Chains sounds pretty cool as well in various match-ups.
I'm thinking of putting together Maverick, but there's so many different lists it's hard to find the best one. I've put together the following list I like:
4 Mother of Runes
3 Noble Hierarch
3 Deathrite Shaman
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Scryb Ranger
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Abrupt Decay
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sylvan Library
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Elspeth, Knight Errant
4 Wasteland
1 Horizon Canopy
3 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
1 Scrubland
2 Bayou
3 Verdant Catacombs
1 Plains
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Forest
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
Sideboard
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Tormod's Crypt
4 Thoughtseize
1 Disfigure
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Krosan Grip
2 Choke
1 Oblivion Ring
I'm not too sure on the planeswalkers, but they seem alright. They help pressure other Planeswalkers and provide a constant stream of creatures. Least sure of playing Elspeth, K-E. I see lists leaning heavier on black, but I'd prefer to keep it as GW as possible. The sideboard might need some work, but hoping you guys can help me out.
The MD looks solid, but be prepared to have trouble casting your PW when you run MD Thalia along with Teeg.
The SB would look alot better if you ran 2 E-Tutors to make those random 1-ofs tutorable.
What would you suggest I cut, I like the idea of 2 ET's.
Grip seems random and O-Ring can often do the same job. For Counterbalance, you still have your ADs.
The second card to cut is harder, although I'm leaning towards Disfigure, although that really depends on the meta. Thalia or the second Teeg might be other choices (although I like having a back-up Teeg).
Looking through all my old stuff this weekend, found a nice NM Foil Rofellos I had traded for as a kid (cus I loved Legends and Legendary stuff). Figured I'd check the price on it.... $100!!!
Felt real good, seeing as how childhood me only was able to acquire a Windswepth Heath, this, and two complete BFMs.
@longshot - Thank you for your report, I was wondering about colored land count,
Your decklist contain 23 lands including sorted by mana generation by turn 1:
-1 Dryad Arbor (obv for all Mav)
-4 Wastelands (obv)
-1 Dark Depths (combo element)
-1 Thespian's Stage (second element)
-1 Karakas (obv)
-1 Horizon Canopy
- 7 fetchlands
- 5 duals
- 2 basics
This mean that having change to cast turn 1:
- Mom/stp you had 13 lands which gives white
-GSZ=0, Mana dork you had 14 lands which gives green
How many times did you faced mana problems while testing/playing, I see here issue specially vs decks which also runs 4 sets of wasteland/1 mana removal (basically Tempo decks :) )
Good stuff man. Thanks for the update
Any thoughts on the new set? Any cards that might impact Maverick?
Nice report dude! That tech card was awesome!
Question about the dark depths combo.... will it have summoning sickness once you activate thespians stage? Sorry noob question.
Yes. The token is a new creature that is put into play, so it will be affected by summoning sickness.
On a side note, I'm glad there are other people doing well with the combo. I've found it to be quite solid in testing, yet the discussion around it seems to have pretty much died after the rule change.
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