All B/R update speculation.

[Zombie]

I'm confused; what happened to Modern? The article I saw had only two bannings in Pauper.

GP Detroit was eaten alive by Jund. People here are not big fans of Jund.

[bjholmes3]

Ah, so it's the lack of ban that's the problem, lol. Modern reminds me of Yugioh: one or two decks dominate the format for a few months, then get banned to high hell. Jund is like Dragon Rulers: it survived.

[DragoFireheart]

GP Detroit was eaten alive by Jund. People here are not big fans of Jund.

I think it's funny how Jund is making a comeback despite Bloodbraid elf being banned.

They should ban Tarmogoyf and DRS from the format for maximum rage quits.

[evanmartyr]

I think it's funny how Jund is making a comeback despite Bloodbraid elf being banned.

They should ban Tarmogoyf and DRS from the format for maximum rage quits.

Tarmogoyf is far too efficient a threat for that format. There's a slew of cards that would be played, and decks that would be good enough, if only Tarmogoyf wasn't around to one-up all their threats.

[DragoFireheart]

Tarmogoyf is far too efficient a threat for that format. There's a slew of cards that would be played, and decks that would be good enough, if only Tarmogoyf wasn't around to one-up all their threats.

They did it for the kitty, why not the Goyf?

I wonder if WOTC fears losing support if they ban goyf, especially since they just reprinted him.

[majikal]

The hilarious part of what happened in Detroit is that the biggest targets to ban based on sheer numbers are Thoughtseize, Tarmogoyf, and Dark Confidant, which all recently have seen reprints to push the Modern Format. Deathrite Shaman got played more, but it's more of a symptom of the dominance of those other cards than an actual problem (re-gain life lost from Bob and T-Seize, shrink Tarmogoyf).

[DragoFireheart]

The hilarious part of what happened in Detroit is that the biggest targets to ban based on sheer numbers are Thoughtseize, Tarmogoyf, and Dark Confidant, which all recently have seen reprints to push the Modern Format. Deathrite Shaman got played more, but it's more of a symptom of the dominance of those other cards than an actual problem (re-gain life lost from Bob and T-Seize, shrink Tarmogoyf).

Well, at some point WotC has to stop banning stuff out of fear of just driving people away. I wonder what deck(s) would dominate if Jund left?

[lordofthepit]

The hilarious part of what happened in Detroit is that the biggest targets to ban based on sheer numbers are Thoughtseize, Tarmogoyf, and Dark Confidant, which all recently have seen reprints to push the Modern Format. Deathrite Shaman got played more, but it's more of a symptom of the dominance of those other cards than an actual problem (re-gain life lost from Bob and T-Seize, shrink Tarmogoyf).

I wouldn't mind seeing them get banned in Modern so that Legacy players can acquire them more cheaply.

[Gheizen64]

The hilarious part of what happened in Detroit is that the biggest targets to ban based on sheer numbers are Thoughtseize, Tarmogoyf, and Dark Confidant, which all recently have seen reprints to push the Modern Format. Deathrite Shaman got played more, but it's more of a symptom of the dominance of those other cards than an actual problem (re-gain life lost from Bob and T-Seize, shrink Tarmogoyf).

People however are pointing to the fact that DRS allow for T2 liliana and lifegain, two things that are pushing the deck over the top. Were not for DRS i think Jund, Ajundi, Burundy and Burgundy wouldn't be as dominant. Iirc almost all of the undefeated decks D1 were Jund, and they're keeping all the tools for decent U-based control lists on the banned list because "counters are unfun", but getting grinded by AD, Liliana, Goyfs and whatsnot is a world of fun. The worst shit was the banning of Wild Nacatl, god forgive aggro has a tool to race Midrange. They only want midrange, and in turn PWs become obscene in a format that's all grindy midrange. I'm thinking they'll ban liliana honestly. Thoughtseize, DRS, Confidant and Goyfs all saw recent prints/reprints, while Liliana is already out of Standard.

[DragoFireheart]

People however are pointing to the fact that DRS allow for T2 liliana and lifegain, two things that are pushing the deck over the top. Were not for DRS i think Jund, Ajundi, Burundy and Burgundy wouldn't be as dominant. Iirc almost all of the undefeated decks D1 were Jund, and they're keeping all the tools for decent U-based control lists on the banned list because "counters are unfun", but getting grinded by AD, Liliana, Goyfs and whatsnot is a world of fun. The worst shit was the banning of Wild Nacatl, god forgive aggro has a tool to race Midrange. They only want midrange, and in turn PWs become obscene in a format that's all grindy midrange. I'm thinking they'll ban liliana honestly. Thoughtseize, DRS, Confidant and Goyfs all saw recent prints/reprints, while Liliana is already out of Standard.

What's the list of "unfun" things that WotC is checking off their list?

[] Counterspells
[] Land Destruction
[] Fast Combo decks
[] ???

[Mr Miagi]

From GP Detroit's coverage http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazin...et13/welcome#2

Modern is a format alive with diversity.

checks top8/16 for diversity, making a face like this then also this and then I figured he must be trolling

Day 2 alone featured thirty-seven different types of decks

Whatever floats his boat..

[DragoFireheart]

If Modern is an example of diversity, then Legacy must be a Rainbow.

Of course, Vintage looks like mud.

[Gheizen64]

What's the list of "unfun" things that WotC is checking off their list?

[] Counterspells
[] Land Destruction
[] Fast Combo decks
[] ???

[] Fast mana creatures
[] Cheap removal

WotC you need not to pay me you can take this for free

[DragoFireheart]

[] Cheap removal

Well that can't be right, they haven't banned Lightning Bolt.

[Admiral_Arzar]

What's the list of "unfun" things that WotC is checking off their list?

[] Counterspells
[] Land Destruction
[] Fast Combo decks
[] ???

You forgot [] Random Discard.

[KobeBryan]

[] Decks that don't require you to tap sideways
[] decks that get free things in play from Graveyard

[Julian23]

Wizards has been promoting tactics over strategy for years now. Jund is the final form of this approach and (in my eyes; not only because of the recent GP results) the manifestation of everything I dislike about this way of playing the game.

[DragoFireheart]

[] Fast mana creatures
[] Cheap removal

WotC you need not to pay me you can take this for free

You forgot [] Random Discard.

[] Decks that don't require you to tap sideways
[] decks that get free things in play from Graveyard

Updated my "Things Wizards of the Coast hates" .txt


[] Counterspells
[] Land Destruction
[] Fast Combo decks
[] Fast mana creatures
[] Cheap removal
[] Random Discard
[] Decks that don't require you to tap sideways
[] decks that get free things in play from Graveyard

[lordofthepit]

[Lemnear]

Liliana of the Veil
Thoughtseize
Tarmogoyf
Deathrite Shaman
Dark Confidant

5 cards that rule Modern and your wallet ... what a joke of a format: nearly as expensive as Legacy, nearly as "diverse" as Vintage....