All B/R update speculation.

[YamiJoey]

Guys, don't try to convince me :p
I'm having a lot of fun in legacy and i play a fair deck (D&T).

My friend can nearly build merfolk... not the worst deck vs combo as it can easily pack FoW, dazes, Spell pierce, flutterstorm and mindbreak trap...
He just need to learn the meta and pack some hate against combo deck...

However, my point was that i see a lot of T2 players, including my friend example, that think that Legac is only a matter of T1 / T2 kills.

I was like that for some time, hence why I built my abomination. (Which actually earned me a T8 at my first event. Turns out RUG is weak to Ghost Quarters, my losses coming to Maverick.) I'm sure he'll come around. I started playing Modern first, so that might be a way to do it.

Also fuck Pongify, I want to make Frog Lizards.

[merfolkotpt]

"One guy is not a trend", aside that's exactly the point I adressed before: play discard, counter, REB, taxing effects or swallow up defeat.

There are more than enough answers in the format ... I would show him the ways to interact with those "unfair" decks or make him trying to pilot such combo decks himself or watch a tournament: the fun isn't within the combo but the struggle to get it going

Couldn't the same thing be said to you about dredge and Shops in vintage. I have played Vintage about the same amount of time as you in Ohio, otherwise known as SHops central, and I don't have any issue beating the decks you mention, by playing cards that interact with them.

[Lemnear]

Couldn't the same thing be said to you about dredge and Shops in vintage. I have played Vintage about the same amount of time as you in Ohio, otherwise known as SHops central, and I don't have any issue beating the decks you mention, by playing cards that interact with them.

I'm not a fortune-teller, I have no clue why it's the case, do you always win the Dice? Do you play Annul/Steel Sabotage.dec feat Nature's Claim? Are there no other Gush/storm/BUG decks in your meta you have to habe in mind building a deck which can completely focus on Shop? I don't know...

What I know is, that Dredge and especially Shops overperform worldwide with tactical superior and highly complex interactions like "Workshop, Mox, Chalice @ 0, Lodestone, go" or Turn 1 Thorn, Turn 2 Forgemaster ... just in case we need to continue the Storm-discussion ;D

Please tell me, how you meaningful interact with Shop on the draw without FoW? Land, Mox (hopefully no Chalice), Lightning Bolt the Lodestone? If it's sooooo easy to build a balanced deck between the blue mirror, Shop- & Dredge-matchups, when why do I see multiple Shops and Dredge in every T8? It's not that all the Flusterstorms, Mental Missteps and mana Drains have any impact.

[DragoFireheart]

If it's sooooo easy to build a balanced deck between the blue mirror, Shop- & Dredge-matchups, when why do I see multiple Shops and Dredge in every T8?

Because those are cheaper than Blue decks?

[Malakai]

We just don't want him to be discouraged, sitting across a Xantid Swarm with a grip full of counters, thinking "fuck this shit! Stupid Format!"

Good riddance, we don't want these types of players in the game.

[merfolkotpt]

Lemnear,
Post your most recent list and I can tell you why you aren't beating those decks. My guess is you have too much stuff for the blue mirror and not enough stuff for these MUs.

[Lemnear]

Lemnear,
Post your most recent list and I can tell you why you aren't beating those decks. My guess is you have too much stuff for the blue mirror and not enough stuff for these MUs.

I don't care anymore as other former Vintage World Champs do, as WotC showed for years that they don't give a fuck about the Format either. :(

My latest list was Grixis colored with Bobs, Snapcaster and Lightning Bolts to overcome other players Jaces, Bobs and Lodestone Golems

This is not the Vintage-deckbuiling threat however ;)

[DragoFireheart]

SO which card do you think will get unbanned next?

How about Flash! I think that is a swell card to unban! /troll

They should unban Earthcraft. Might be amusing to see Elves get out of control, though I bet it could be used in some way (which is always fun).

[Lord Seth]

I think Mind Twist is the most likely card to be unbanned.

[jamis]

Yeah, it does feel like they missed an opportunity for an unban. The meta's really open right now, so it feels like a good time to introduce more cards. Hopefully, they were thinking about unbanning Earthcraft, but with the recent legend rule change they wanted to make sure the buff to Gaea's Cradle plus an unban of Earthcraft wouldn't be too much so they're just waiting until next time to unban something.

[bjholmes3]

I don't think Flash is likely to see any kind of unbanning. If anything will keep new players from buying expensive Legacy cards, it's the threat of a Turn 0 loss, no matter how fragile it may be.

I still think that, if something was to be unbanned, it would be along the lines of Black Vise, but I don't personally think that would be a very nice choice, as it would hate decks like Miracles that like to keep well-stocked hands, and those are decks that I feel add nice variety to the format.

[DragoFireheart]

I think Mind Twist is the most likely card to be unbanned.

Yeah Mind Twist looks pretty safe as well. You need lots of mana, which means you need to ramp to make it decent (which could be spent on better things, like winning) or you cast it later on (and discard is usually not good late game).

[DragoFireheart]

My mind is blown.

Four mono-colored decks that are DTB.
Five decks without Brainstorm.
When was the last time this happened?

The meta is VERY healthy. Unban Mind Twist so we can get a mono-colored black deck as a DTB and then talk more shit about how Legacy is the best format and Modern is a shit format?

[LennonMarx]

Mind Twist is obviously very safe, and it would be cool to have back. The card I think they could 100% unban (but likely won't) is Worldgorger Dragon, and that makes me a sad pandna. "It dies to everything" is still valid, and "everything" now includes one of the most played 1-drops in recent memory.

[DragoFireheart]

Mind Twist is obviously very safe, and it would be cool to have back. The card I think they could 100% unban (but likely won't) is Worldgorger Dragon, and that makes me a sad pandna. "It dies to everything" is still valid, and "everything" now includes one of the most played 1-drops in recent memory.

Dragon dies to most removal.
the Animate Dead dies to Abrupt Decay and can't be countered.
Dragon can be exiled from DRS while in the yard.

Still, some people could draw the game and troll everyone.

[Dice_Box]

My mind is blown.

Four mono-colored decks that are DTB.
Five decks without Brainstorm.
When was the last time this happened?

The meta is VERY healthy. Unban Mind Twist so we can get a mono-colored black deck as a DTB and then talk more shit about how Legacy is the best format and Modern is a shit format?

Both Goblins and Elves are not Mono coloured. They just have a dominant colour.

[DragoFireheart]

Both Goblins and Elves are not Mono coloured. They just have a dominant colour.

Close enough. Don't ruin my dream of a format where 5 of the DTB are mono-colored!

[Julian23]

Being a practically mono-colored deck, Elves still pretty much scoops to a turn1 Blood Moon on the play.. ;-)

[DragoFireheart]

Being a practically mono-colored deck, Elves still pretty much scoops to a turn1 Blood Moon on the play.. ;-)

Yeah I find this strangely humorous. Elves, a mostly mono-colored deck and a deck that has the ability to generate great deals of mana, scoops to Blood moon on the play.

I feel the same way when a Combo deck scoops to non-blue midrange deck.

[Dice_Box]

Being a practically mono-colored deck, Elves still pretty much scoops to a turn1 Blood Moon on the play.. ;-)

I can not stop laughing right now. So true its sad.