[Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

[Pelikanudo]

You ask the wrong question. It's not "how" good TP is but "how often". TP has 3-4 times more application than Bribery and I'm not greedy ... I'm fine taking Iona, Tidesprout , Jin Gitaxias or an Eldrazi instead of Griselbrand

I agree, but vs those Sneak&Show or these new archetypes which plays Emrakul and are red, I would hate this card If by chance I take an Ape instead...
Not bad card TM.. really not bad card...

[Lemnear]

I agree, but vs those Sneak&Show or these new archetypes which plays Emrakul and are red, I would hate this card If by chance I take an Ape instead...
Not bad card TM.. really not bad card...

If your opponent might run Simian Spirit Guide instead of Lotus Petals, don't cast TP.

You won't win 2 games against the same opponent with TP. Peeps aren't dumb. Storm will board at least 1 Swarm/Bob if you kill them game 1 with tp

[lemariont]

Last game losed vs High Tide. The Telemin Performance reveals a cloud odd faries

[Lemnear]

Last game losed vs High Tide. The Telemin Performance reveals a cloud odd faries

Doesn't tell me a lot. G1/2/3? Did you know it was Snap-Tide?

[JPoJohnson]

Maybe I'm missing it with this card, but I feel like if you have a Burning Wish and 5 mana available, that you should be able to win via another route. I feel like the scenarios where you would play this card would be far more limited than any other win condition/storm engine. Is the purpose of the card simply to mess with people and get them to sideboard in a manner to dilute their deck?

[Lemnear]

Maybe I'm missing it with this card, but I feel like if you have a Burning Wish and 5 mana available, that you should be able to win via another route. I feel like the scenarios where you would play this card would be far more limited than any other win condition/storm engine. Is the purpose of the card simply to mess with people and get them to sideboard in a manner to dilute their deck?

What do YOU do with 5 mana post wish in the combo mirror? EtW might be too slow, PIF requires a lot of Rituals in the yard which is unlikely to Achieve in time, which leaves you with the Diminishing Returns-Roulette against decks like SneakShow, OmniTell, High Tide ANT, TES and Reanimator which might regain FoW, Daze, Flusterstorm and other shit by casting DR unless you have the nuts of being able to Silence first. Afterwards you have only limited mana and cards to win (unless you have the nuts again).

Because we don't always have the insane amount of mana and a specific card combination required for DR or Wish->Infernal->AN against the matchups in question, I thought about sidestepping the variance here and test TP as a cheap way to win and pushing our % against other combo decks.

[JPoJohnson]

Makes perfect sense, thanks (:

The only combo mirror I've played was exactly TES, so I don't have a lot of experience against the other combo decks. I appreciate the patience and thorough answer!

[Lemnear]

Makes perfect sense, thanks (:

The only combo mirror I've played was exactly TES, so I don't have a lot of experience against the other combo decks. I appreciate the patience and thorough answer!

Ya Welcome! :)

Berlin is combo-country ... that's why I thought about it

[Ivan Ferreiro]

What do you think about Mana maze as a sideboard option against storm combo (deck here)? Seems pretty weak...

[Lemnear]

What do you think about Mana maze as a sideboard option against storm combo (deck here)? Seems pretty week...

It's just one of many, many possible annoying cards for storm. I don't know why this should get the nod over Thoughtseize in this deck, which is for more flexible in the meta.

[lemariont]

Doesn't tell me a lot. G1/2/3? Did you know it was Snap-Tide?

Was in G1, but maybe I was too impulsive. ...

[Lemnear]

Why testing on Cockatrice sux

Opp: Misty Rainforest -> Tropical Island, Ponder, Looks top 3 cards, "What are you playing?".

Me: I look at my hand, "UWR Tempo. Why?"

Opp: "doesn't matter", keeps top 3, draws, pass

Me: draw, Flooded Strand -> Volcanic, Ponder, like what I see, draw, pass

Opp: draw, think, drop Volcanic, think, tap both to summon Delver + Goose, pass

Me: draw, G.Probe, see Spell Snare + Spell Pierce + Lightning Bolt, "lol"

Opp: "yeah, pretty good ^^"

Me: draw card for the G.Probe, make 14 Goblins

Opp: "asshole"

-PLAYER LOST-

No idea what's going on with those guys...

[JPoJohnson]

You forgot the next step:

Opp: Proceeds to drop his creatures into play and then draws several cards then ragequit.

[Sinkhole]

I had played several matches against RUG Delver and it really was slighly frustrating, my winning rate against them was arround 30 %, I think. Often it took too much time to find discard over burning wish for cleanning up their hand and go off with Ad Nauseam, because I had gotten too much pain from their fast clocks. Also often I haven`t enough or the right mana for going off protected, due to the fact, that my manabase had digisted the wasteland + stifle meal. And to top it all I have drawn really bad.

Yes I am new with palying TES, so I made some missplays, but it seems that Canadian is one of our toughest machtups, or isn´t it? So any general advice, how to change playstyle against RUG Delver? Should I play more aggressive and/ or gamble sometimes, I mean going off unprotected, if my opponent holds only 3 - 4 cards in hand?

It all looks so easy in Bryant`s playstreams, but it isn`t when I do But I`ll keep up storming, even if it`s sometimes really frustrating

Greetz

[P-E]

and what about cocktrice matches agfainst Post ? ^^

[davelin]

I had played several matches against RUG Delver and it really was slighly frustrating, my winning rate against them was arround 30 %, I think. Often it took too much time to find discard over burning wish for cleanning up their hand and go off with Ad Nauseam, because I had gotten too much pain from their fast clocks. Also often I haven`t enough or the right mana for going off protected, due to the fact, that my manabase had digisted the wasteland + stifle meal. And to top it all I have drawn really bad.

Yes I am new with palying TES, so I made some missplays, but it seems that Canadian is one of our toughest machtups, or isn´t it? So any general advice, how to change playstyle against RUG Delver? Should I play more aggressive and/ or gamble sometimes, I mean going off unprotected, if my opponent holds only 3 - 4 cards in hand?

It all looks so easy in Bryant`s playstreams, but it isn`t when I do But I`ll keep up storming, even if it`s sometimes really frustrating

Greetz

Agreed this is probably one of the most commonly frustrating matchups out there. I find the RUG matchup more difficult than the BUG or UWR variations myself but that may just be sample size/variance. A few things to note -

- Empty is probably your primary wincon especially game 1 pre-SB. With a possible quick clock and reach with their bolts, resolving a successful Ad Nauseum may be difficult
- Although the early Delver flip is the primary way they can put early pressure on us, it's not the likely scenario. Be patient and find your spot.
- With three discard spells and four probes, you'll hopefully have enough information on when to go off. Save those probes for those spots and for storm esp on the EtW path
- Sequence your ritual effects correctly, Rites before Dark Rituals since Rituals can pay for Daze/Pierce
- Play around those Wastes and Stifles on your fetches. Fetching on your turn can be a way to generate storm at their expense!

Good luck!

[Sinkhole]

Thanks davelin!

I haven`t played against U/W/R Delver so far, but against BUG and it`s defenitly a lot easier, than against RUG!
When I think of the played matches, I have casted my Probes often too early, so like you said it might be a good
choice for saving them, until I can go off. I could be a turn faster when I am too short on mana for going of save,
casting Probe and maybe sometimes I am lucky and seeing no Counter or Daze only, where I can play arround.

[Wombo Combo]

Why testing on Cockatrice sux



No idea what's going on with those guys...

Label the game as "Competitive". Also, add people like this to your ignore list. It's the price you pay for playing against anyone that can install it. The best rager I had was someone loaded up 43lands.dec. He immediately conceded the game when I cast GP, and then loaded up miracles. lol

[Lemnear]

I had played several matches against RUG Delver and it really was slighly frustrating, my winning rate against them was arround 30 %, I think. Often it took too much time to find discard over burning wish for cleanning up their hand and go off with Ad Nauseam, because I had gotten too much pain from their fast clocks. Also often I haven`t enough or the right mana for going off protected, due to the fact, that my manabase had digisted the wasteland + stifle meal. And to top it all I have drawn really bad.

Yes I am new with palying TES, so I made some missplays, but it seems that Canadian is one of our toughest machtups, or isn´t it? So any general advice, how to change playstyle against RUG Delver? Should I play more aggressive and/ or gamble sometimes, I mean going off unprotected, if my opponent holds only 3 - 4 cards in hand?

It all looks so easy in Bryant`s playstreams, but it isn`t when I do But I`ll keep up storming, even if it`s sometimes really frustrating

Greetz

It isn't that bad. Read the reports in my signature. It's a common matchup there.

and what about cocktrice matches agfainst Post ? ^^

Jerry doesn't seem to be interrested in playing anymore ...^^

[davelin]

Thanks davelin!

I haven`t played against U/W/R Delver so far, but against BUG and it`s defenitly a lot easier, than against RUG!
When I think of the played matches, I have casted my Probes often too early, so like you said it might be a good
choice for saving them, until I can go off. I could be a turn faster when I am too short on mana for going of save,
casting Probe and maybe sometimes I am lucky and seeing no Counter or Daze only, where I can play arround.

It's a matchup where you have to continually think of what could the opponent be holding and what are your options. Say he taps out for a first turn Delver or Ponder, you have to think he either has a Daze and/or FoW, does your hand beat that if they do? If you wait until then untap, then they could hold up for a Pierce or a Stifle, do you have options in that case?