Congrats to the good finish mate ;)
Played 4 rounds of swiss with Thresh Can in our lgs.
Qty Name
// Lands
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Wooded Foothills
3 Tropical Island
3 Volcanic Island
4 Wasteland
//\\
// Creatures
4 Delver of Secrets/Insectile Aberration
4 Nimble Mongoose
4 Tarmogoyf
//\\
// Spells
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Daze
4 Force of Will
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Stifle
2 Spell Pierce
2 Spell Snare
2 Forked Bolt
//\\
// Sideboard
3 Submerge
1 Krosan Grip
1 Ancient Grudge
2 Pyroblast
2 Flusterstorm
2 Rough/Tumble
2 Pithing Needle
2 Sulfur Elemental
Never missed a gy hate slot. Never.
R1, Jiří, monoblack lowbudget deck
Hardest mu of all the decks I met. Thresh is notorious for been bad against all-basics, full-of-removal decks.
g1: I Snared Hymn. Next turn I played BS in resp. to Vampire Nighthawk finding nothing to neither counter it nor burn it; FB is one dmg too small. I FoWed another Hymn (pitching Stifle), then I played Mongoose and Pondered. On his 21 life (and my 15) the opponent played Nantuko Shade and attacked with Nighthawk, keeping no mana open; IDK what else he played. I FBed the Nanuk and played Delver and Mong. no.2, then I attacked with the first one. (It was threshed already, so having six power on board wasn't that bad, with a burn or two I may remove/race the Hawk.) On his next turn Jiří played Lashwrithe which I FoWed (Ponder), dazing him completely. (He's a beginner, so lots of my cards were complete surprise for him and I needed quite some time to explain some cards and/or interactions; also he was not really fast, but w/e.) I attacked for seven, but Jiří still refused to block and his Nighthawk was chewing away chnks of my life total and kept him quite high; we were 10-14 after my attack He played Liliana of the Dark Realms and found Swamp with her, then he pressed again and lowered my life to 8. On my upkeep I flipped Delver with FB,then I attacked with Mongoose to Lili and the rest of team went for the throat. I finished Lili with FB split and passed the trun. Jiří attacked with Nighthawk and I lost on my six life, as he played a megamaximal Consume Spirit (go search it, yeah, it's a Drain Life...) for all his available mana and I lacked any Pierce/Daze/Fow, of course. "It's the end," he informed me with spell on the stack, just if I did not know.
sb: I took out Stifles and some random card (FoW?), as he didn't even play Wastes (it was Super Series Super Budget deck), and took Ancient Grudge (equipment), Pithing Needles (Lili and Nanuk) and Flusterstorms (Hymn/Drain).
g2: I played Delver. It's lovely to play against non-Decay deck once again. I flipped the researcher with Bolt and played another Delver; on Jiří's turn I Dazed Doom Blade. On mynext upkeep I BSed and flipped the Delver with Bolt, then I attacked with both of them putting the opp. on 11 hp. He played Bad Moon which I let resolve. I attacked once more, lowering his life to five, then he played Nighthawk. I had a serious brainfart, because I Bolted it eot. Go figure why it did nothing... On my turn I drwn Needle, then I attacked into his deathtouch blocker sacrificing the Delver in process and doing zero dmg, because "lifelink, you idiot!" At least I played Goyf. I exchanged it for the Hawk on the next turn and as he was 3/4 due to Bad Moon, Jiří was still on five even though Abberation went through. He drawn and played Consume Spirit targeting the bug, but this time I had my Pierce at the ready, so the insect was able to attack the opponent again; I finished him with a Chinese 4ED BB Lightning Bolt.
Unbelievable game, I deserved to lose it, as i made mistake after mistake. I don't understand what do I do in a competitive setting if I can't manage such a simply interactions/abilities like Bad Moon bonus, lifelink dmg or Bolt and toughness of four.
g3: Jiří mulled to six. (I think that tt was the only mulligan my opponents have done for the whole tournament.)
He played Vault Skirge and passed, next turn he tried Lashwrithe of DarkRitual, thankfully I had FoW (and Ponder to pitch) whch once again completely perplexed him. I played Goyf, lately I played Delver, all the while the small Skirge was bringing me down to thirteen. Jiří played Nanuk once again and kept one mana and one card. I flipped Delver with an unknown card,then I attacked into Nanuk with my Goyf and bolted the dude in resp. to Dark Ritual. I was down to 11 life (with opponent on 13) when I finally found a (Forked?) Bolt for the Skirge. I tapped my team and the opponent scooped on his three life during my penultimate turn.
Basic_Lands.dec FT(nearly)W!
Win (not deserved), 1:0.
R2, Lego, ANT
I haven't seen Legolas for at least two years, he said that he did not played Legacy for four years. He was surprised with the increased prices (thankfully he kept most of his money stuff), and we chatted a bit about both of us been haircut. (In fact we did not even notice and acknowledge each other; this also means that it must be no less than one year since we've met for the last time, as it was few weeks before last Christmas when i sold my hair.)
Ok, silly stuff aside...
g1: As I played till the turns, I did not know what I stand against. However a sequence of Delta (Stifle!), Badlands->Duress (Daze!), Wasteland->Badlands left my opponent very sad and me very confident. On his 18 Legolas played LP into IT into DRit finally leaving me in no doubt of what I stand against. I got a Goyf and attacked. Then I got another one and Dazed Lego's Ponder after this he scooped.
sb: out FBs and two Mongooses, in both REBs and F-storms.
g2 I kept a hand with FoW of which Legolas learned thanks to a GP. I played Delver, than on my next turn I Wasted his sole Volc keeping him off lands for the mosst of the pretty short game. He tried to Duress me with an LP, which I Dazed. I attacked him down to 15-12-9 and played Goyf, but now he finally found and instacracked fetch finding Island to play around Waste. He Pondered or w/e which I let resolve, cause I feared any n*LED+PiF absurdity. Then I reduced him to one life and passed. He drawn his final card and revealed a hand of 4 Drit, 2 LED and either 2 IT or IT+CT.
Good game. I like Stifle.
Win, 2:0.
R3, Jiří, ANT
So, second only to Slosh, this guy is The Storm Guy. Fine, I love toknow what I play against, but so did he, sadly.
g1: I kpet what was basically a mull to five: two lands, BS, Pierce, two Bolts and some blue stuff. Either way, I wans't willing to mull to Waste-only hand and thus I kept this risky hand although Jiří started. Otoh, I thought I have time enough to play at least Pierce, and even if Duresses me on turn1, he must choose between that and BS. No matter what, the game was pretty fast. I rode the Delver down to opponent's 16, when a Duress (found by a previous IT) cut me of Pierce (yep, my only counter for the whole game). In a desperate hope that he won't find the necessary cards fast enough, I played both my Delvers and kept the other Bolt (which I was unable to play). He ADNed from 13 and won.
sb: see above.
g2: We exchenged ponder and BS, then I Stifled his fetch. Trun later I Wasted his Volc and played Mongoose. I once again Stifled a fetch and since then it was qite easy: you know that your opponent is losing when he plays Preordain of LP. Jiří stared at the cards and mumbled something like "shame it's not any other land", then scried one card away and keeping Island. I Pondered and plyed Goyf to be a bit faster. Jiří BSed, I BSed eot. On his last life he tried DRit out of LP, but I Pierced it. "It's the end."
g3: Hm. Not nice... to be on draw. I Stifled a fetch, though. Then Jiří Pondered out of LP which I REBed. I also kept my usual fashion of Wasting a Volc on sight and played mongoose. Then Goyf. Jiří otoh kept his usual fashion of LP->Preordain. I BSed eot to find some more cards and then on my turn I knocked him from 11 to 4. (Guess what, dealing seven dmg is soo Threshold.) Jiří scooped with four LEDs in hand, some Ritual, an IT and no other land then Eye-Land, because Legacy is all about fetching basics doctrine. (Ok, I'm not serious - he had to take the basic.)
Win, 3:0
R4, Tom, UBGR
So here I am, reaching my very first prize in idon'tknowhowlong time.
Tom is a card shark of our lgs and he's also a Mr. Suitcase lending several decks on each T1.5 event. He made a good job of his hobby and at his age of 16 or so, I guess his monthly income is greater than that of mine. Not exactly a type of ppl I love, but well, I learned to like him after we've solved a question of "how you should behave towards a person that could be your father and that plays this children's pictorial game for a longer time that you're alive" several months ago.
Sidenote: Tom asked if I really sell my cards and why I don't keep adeck. I told him I'm really selling most of my stuff, but I will keep the RUG cause I believe I'd much rather pity I don't have anything than pity I have something. He also told me that it's not reasonable to cash out, because thanks to the nature of Legacy it's possible to maste one deck and win with it for years, thus this deck pays for itself and brings back prizes and blah blah. Instead of presenting him a certain instruction leaflet, I was in a mood for an adult education, so I told the guy that even if we assume that this is true for him, a small kid without other income and duties, it hardly ever may apply to me, as I effectivelly lose money on each tournament: count the gas, time lost, bought soda, etc. "Yep, but the prizes..." was the answer and that's where I became a bit impatient and quit the discussion with simple math example: there are 54 weeks in year, on foru of them there's no ourney due to whatnot, half of the remaining fifty you can't enter due to shiftwork, out of the 25 or so you may reach the prizes (not to speak of a win) in 1/3 of them at the very best (if you're really devoted to the game, format and deck), meaning that for the mere price of 30 thousands CZK you may annualy make some 5-10k crowns after a half-shift effort in a stinky playroom while your family/work awaits you and in case you need to transfer by a car you also spill bensin into sewers like there's no tomorrow.
Ok, onwards to the games!
We were the only ones with 9 points and there were two other guys at 7, so we decided to ID, because reasons reasons "auxiliary rating" reasons reasons. We still played for the better price, though.
g1: I played Delver, he played Delver, I Bolted his Delver, but then I was StifleWasted of lands. He Bolted my Delver. Then he played DRS and countered My FoW attemp after which I scooped. "But why did you scoop so fast?" Because, my child, I had no lands in play, starred at DRS, had a nigh-empty hand and needed to win two more games.
sb: Bah, I think I completely let down the whole match no later than this moment. I remember I sbed something completely silly and I did not even took the R//T and Needles to stop the DRS at any cost. How I wished to win agianst his superior mana and tempo is beyondmy understanding, but w/e, we already split and the prizes were sure, weren't they?
g2: DRS I Dazed. Then soemoene played Delver. I somehow Wasted his land, but then he Wasted my Trop. I played Mongoose and Delver, but these were no match for a Nihil Spellbomb and Goyf and Delver and DRS*2. Also, my Submerge was Pyroblsted. I took him down to 8, but after I lost the Delver I scooped. No matter what, I was on foru life.
Loss, 3:1.
We moved to the cashdesk and looked throguh the pile of prizes: Scrubland, Vindicate and Mushroom Agent; really a cards I don't need at all, esp. as I either just sold them, don't have a deck to use them or simply don't care of their existence. Thankfully the two 7 points guys just jumped above us - says a lot about IDs and all the ordinary tournament wisdom - so we were out of prizes (at least me, which hardly ever hurts, as I lost the match).
I jumped into the car and went for the nightshift, effectiverlly losing hundreds of crowns on gas and missing hours. Here are your prizes, dude.
Pros:
the deck
barmaster laughing at my R4 opponents and agreeing with my words, all of them.
MVP: Stifle
Cons:
money lost
BURG mu
LVP: Sulfur Elemental! Surprising, as it was pretty powerful the last time. Where were all those men with D&T?
I wouldn't change a single card in a deck.
Also: My favourite Force of Will art.
How did bolt not kill nighthawk? It's a 2/3. And how did you play goof under a Moon?
EDIT: oh wow. Bad Moon? Seriously?
"Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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It was a Bad Moon, not a Blood Moon. This should answer both of your questions.Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning
Seriously. Bad Moon.
A Merfolk deck resolving a TNN against us is almost close to game over. Between vial and cavern, they can do this easily enough.
How does RUG handle a resolved TNN?
Just be faster than TNN, there's no way to handle him if it's resolved.
He stops Gofys and Geese with infinite chump blocks. I don't think trying to go faster is a solution.
Sure but what option you have in our colors? There is no Terminus, or wrath effect. You have no cheap global bounce and red only does damage that will prevented.
I guess we now have a good idea of where this deck is going in the future meta.
First of all how mutch impact will TNN have, if it only will be played in Merfolk I think we don't really need a solution for it. If it will have more impact we'll have to do some tricks like red leyline and rough.
How is TNN a problem, can't we just stifle it?
Roughe/Tumble does nothing to TNN.
The red Leylines are completely worthless.
No. It's ability is not a triggered ability. It's similar to Cavern of Souls mechanics wise.
Red leyline says damage can't prevented rough didn't target so why it doesn't work?
Caverns says "as" that's not a legal target for Stifle. TNN says "when" normally I can Stifle trigger that starts me "when".
Can't edit my posts with this app. Sorry for three posts. TNN has a "as" trigger so no Stifle.
1. You're burning a few slots just to make so our non-targeted burn CAN damage it. CA is in a way already 2-1ing ourselves to deal with one card. Because of the way Leylines works, if you run too few you won't have it in the opening hand. Too many and they will clog up your draws later on.
2. The Leylines are such an awful top-deck for this deck.
3. Too many Lords can foil this plan.
4. You still have to resolve the non-targeted burn spell.
5. Echoing Truth (which they do maindeck)
I didn't say my suggestion is good, it's just a thought how you can handle TNN. Maybe there's a non targeting global burn spell with can't prevented? I didn't found one.
What about Llawan, Cephalid Empress? OK it costs four but if it resolves it's GG for us.
I couldn't find one either.
It's frustrating because red is usually a good color choice to fight blue decks sideboard wise.
You could be cute and try a combat trick. Swing into the player with a Goyf, hope he blocks it with TNN, and then cast Skullcrack.
Heh. Good luck resolving it against Merfolk with our manabase and their Wastelands/Stifles (Does Merfolk still run Stifle?). Though if it does resolve it's GG for us.
EDIT: Ather Vial still allows them to put a merfolk into play though.
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