[Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

[Lemnear]

@Sinkhole

I urge you to play Probe as a 4-off and never ever board out a single one, because it exactly reveals how you have to play in certain situations.

It's impossible to deny the unholy triforce of EtW + G.Probe + Cabal Therapy in this deck and what's one of the reasons I maxed the Therapies. The other is that boarding discard for discard in creature-matchups feels quite retarded like my previous running of Pyroclasm alongside Grapeshot. A third reason is, that moving cardtype Independent discard to the MB free'd one more SB for me so I gained additional edges against Miracles, Counter-overloads and combo

[thefringthing]

I urge you to play Probe as a 4-off and never ever board out a single one

Man, I remember proposing that Git Probe might be playable in TES and getting immediately shot down about it. Heh.

[Lemnear]

Man, I remember proposing that Git Probe might be playable in TES and getting immediately shot down about it. Heh.

The joke is that ANT and TES develop towards each other in interations, but some peeps still pick up the small differences to fuel hatred or misinformation. (See Probe, see Therapy, see EtW, etc.) I'm very glad that Carsten and me both have a very clear view concerning our decks and get along very well unlike most peeps in this forum does.

[Kael]

Hey all,

Long time lurker on The Source, but never really got around to posting. Thought I'd start contributing now that the Storm Boards are more or less dead.

I've been playing TES for about a year and a half, occasionally stopping to toy around with DDFT, Painter, and ANT variants. I've never tried Telemin Performance, but it seems great in my metagame, which has a decent amount of storm, Reanimator, and TinFins. Definitely going to stick one in the sideboard for a local event tomorrow, I'll let you know how it goes.

[bennotsi]

Hey all,

Long time lurker on The Source, but never really got around to posting. Thought I'd start contributing now that the Storm Boards are more or less dead.

I've been playing TES for about a year and a half, occasionally stopping to toy around with DDFT, Painter, and ANT variants. I've never tried Telemin Performance, but it seems great in my metagame, which has a decent amount of storm, Reanimator, and TinFins. Definitely going to stick one in the sideboard for a local event tomorrow, I'll let you know how it goes.

I wouldn't know why you'd think that the stormboards are more or less dead. It's just a tad quiet because at the moment there isn't much to talk about that hasn't already been said.

Other than that, I'd love to hear how Telemin Performance is working out for you. Obviously, it's very meta dependent.

[Kael]

I suppose calling it dead isn't fair. The DDFT section still gets some activity, but it's one of the only places on the internet you can talk about that deck. There's nothing to really talk about in the TES thread, though. And considering 90% of the people who play in my metagame are on GBx discard decks or combo, TP should certainly see some action.

[Lemnear]

I suppose calling it dead isn't fair. The DDFT section still gets some activity, but it's one of the only places on the internet you can talk about that deck. There's nothing to really talk about in the TES thread, though. And considering 90% of the people who play in my metagame are on GBx discard decks or combo, TP should certainly see some action.

Dunno what you are talking about. DDFT is obsolete as a "life independent" storm engine since the printing of Past in Flames, ANT runs behind every metagame-shift and TES discussion is very active concerning the SB and the disruption suit. Especially in this thread there's unexpected much talk considering the fact that the latest expansions had almost Zero impact for the Legacy metagame.

[Kael]

Dunno what you are talking about. DDFT is obsolete as a "life independent" storm engine since the printing of Past in Flames, ANT runs behind every metagame-shift and TES discussion is very active concerning the SB and the disruption suit. Especially in this thread there's unexpected much talk considering the fact that the latest expansions had almost Zero impact for the Legacy metagame.

I disagree with your dismissal of DDFT as a deck, but regardless of it's obsolescence, people still play the deck, and when they want to have conversations about it, they do it on the storm boards. Hence, the DDFT section is still fairly active. The ANT thread hasn't been touched in a few weeks, and there hasn't been a word in the TES thread in months, which is problematic for me, given that it's the deck I run most often. Perhaps it'll see more activity with a significant metagame shift or spoiler, but in the meantime, I'll mostly be over here. I enjoy reading Cook's tournament reports, your Heart of the Storm series, and other people's reports, and I just feel that there's more discussion to contribute to here.

Anyways, not much to say about Telemin Performance. 4-0'd the event, but played against Nic Fit-Birthing Pod , DnT, Big Red, and Imperial Painter. Didn't get to use it.

[Final Fortune]

Dunno ... could be because englisch's only my 4th language; could be because you bring up examples I never saw or read about; could be because you miss my point about EtW being amazing against a disruption-plan which is based on creatures and therefore I expect sweepers leaving their mainboard then.

Your example is pretty much the kind I ranted about a few pages back and/or in another thread: It's pointless to discuss the efficiency of 3cc or 4cc cards like Venser, Glen Elendra, Bloodmoon, Arcane Lab, V.Clique an others against a deck which's capable to win during it's first few turns. I hope this topic doesn't develop into slinging some best-/worst-case-scenarios.



Edit: Dunno if I would feel too well with AN while running Thoughtseize and 2-3 Decays in postboard games against something like RW Goblins w/ Thalia

I still find Vendillion Clique relevant, whether or not TES has the ability to go off on turn 1 or 2 doesn't mean it can go off on turn 1 or 2 thru' disruption or permission, and Vendillion Clique tends to be accelerated by Deathrite Shaman and to a lesser extent Green Sun's Zenith so I assure you it's a very real consideration on turn 2. I'm guessing you just don't play against Vendillion Clique as much as I do, Miracles MDs them, RUG SBs them, Stoneblade MDs them beside Deathrite Shaman, BUG SBs them and MDs Deathrite Shaman etc.

Duress has lost me a lot of match ups because it couldn't take Vendillion Clique, whether or not you solve that broblem with Thought Seize or Cabal Therapy I think is really a matter of taste, but right now I'm pretty happy with 2 MD Thought Seize, 1 MD Cabal Therapy and 1 SB Cabal Therapy and I'm running 4 City of Brass, 2 Gemstone Mine instead of the usual set up and not really having problems with life loss. As much as people call TES an Ad Nauseam deck, the fact of the matter is that it kills with Empty the Warrens, Diminishing Returns, Past in Flames and tutor/cantrip chains combined more often anyway, and I don't think it's right to play strictly inferior cards for the sake of half our win condition.

English isn't my first language either, so no worries.

[Lemnear]

I still find Vendillion Clique relevant, whether or not TES has the ability to go off on turn 1 or 2 doesn't mean it can go off on turn 1 or 2 thru' disruption or permission, and Vendillion Clique tends to be accelerated by Deathrite Shaman and to a lesser extent Green Sun's Zenith so I assure you it's a very real consideration on turn 2. I'm guessing you just don't play against Vendillion Clique as much as I do, Miracles MDs them, RUG SBs them, Stoneblade MDs them beside Deathrite Shaman, BUG SBs them and MDs Deathrite Shaman etc.

Duress has lost me a lot of match ups because it couldn't take Vendillion Clique, whether or not you solve that broblem with Thought Seize or Cabal Therapy I think is really a matter of taste, but right now I'm pretty happy with 2 MD Thought Seize, 1 MD Cabal Therapy and 1 SB Cabal Therapy and I'm running 4 City of Brass, 2 Gemstone Mine instead of the usual set up and not really having problems with life loss. As much as people call TES an Ad Nauseam deck, the fact of the matter is that it kills with Empty the Warrens, Diminishing Returns, Past in Flames and tutor/cantrip chains combined more often anyway, and I don't think it's right to play strictly inferior cards for the sake of half our win condition.

English isn't my first language either, so no worries.

We have a lot of tempo around here but I never saw anyone playing GSZ into Dryad Arbor into Clique. Tbh Most peeps here aren't too Fond of Boarding 3cc Cards against Storm. I still apprechiated your Input to reconsider our disruption suit

[Final Fortune]

We have a lot of tempo around here but I never saw anyone playing GSZ into Dryad Arbor into Clique. Tbh Most peeps here aren't too Fond of Boarding 3cc Cards against Storm. I still apprechiated your Input to reconsider our disruption suit

Yeah, that explains a lot, I think you'll have to wait 'til True Name Nemesis enters the metagame and cards like GSZ and Noble Hierarch return to the metagame in order to accelerate him into play, at which point you're going to see T2 Clique the same way I do - as a real threat.

[Lemnear]

Yeah, that explains a lot, I think you'll have to wait 'til True Name Nemesis enters the metagame and cards like GSZ and Noble Hierarch return to the metagame in order to accelerate him into play, at which point you're going to see T2 Clique the same way I do - as a real threat.

There are a shitload of 3cc cards in existance that "kill us" if dropped via acceleration. Clique is just one of those. I'm looking forward to players tapping out for Hierarch/DRS and TNN

[paeng4983]

We just had our monthly legacy tournament. 42 players with me placing as the victor.
I had an exactly same list of 75 with Cook BUT my only difference was: his main has 2 Cabal and a Thoughtseize, WHILE I have 2 Thoughtseize and a Cabal in my 60.
The loss of life from the said TSs are not that significant. On average, my life total is at 11 to 15 whenever I go off with an Ad naus and I still manage to kill him with TOA.
For my tournament report, click my link below.

http://mtglegacy.freeforums.org/d4d-...th-tes-t8.html

Pictures of the D4D event below. Tiyo Paeng is my name here
http://www.syntaxassassin.com/d4d5/

@Cook,
How's your invitational weekend?

@Lem and other Euro TES Players,
Wish you all the luck and good draws and good MUs!

[.Ix]

Congrats Paeng! I've never seen so many Elves in a Manila top 8.

[paeng4983]

Congrats Paeng! I've never seen so many Elves in a Manila top 8.

Ruric Thar something like that, is the name of their new toy. And it really annoys U-decks and storm too.
Maybe that's the reason why no U-deck is on top for today in our field. I hope to see you anytime soon here. You take good care there in the south bro!
^_^

[Lemnear]

Congratz dood!

Edit: I hope I don't get unluckily "eliminated" by all the hatebear.decs and MUD in the first rounds.

[Bryant Cook]

The weekend was pretty unsuccessful for me. I went 2-2 in the Legacy portion of the Invitational with a BYE, my losses were to being just goldfished against Dredge and to Reanimator. I beat Sneak & Show by playing pretty tight. The legacy open was just miserable, lost to ANT round one and post round two. Both were just cases of super unfortunate events, like having an Emrakul hardcast against me turn three on the play.

Thoughtseize was great. I plan on continuing to play it.

[Lemnear]

The weekend was pretty unsuccessful for me. I went 2-2 in the Legacy portion of the Invitational with a BYE, my losses were to being just goldfished against Dredge and to Reanimator. I beat Sneak & Show by playing pretty tight. The legacy open was just miserable, lost to ANT round one and post round two. Both were just cases of super unfortunate events, like having an Emrakul hardcast against me turn three on the play.

Thoughtseize was great. I plan on continuing to play it.

That's sad news. Still Sounds like a metagame for TP blowouts

[Machahiko]

Post confirmed to be the best deck 2013 destroying the dreams of conquest and sanity of combo players all around the world.

[Bryant Cook]

Part of me wonders how much we need Abrupt Decay in the current metagame. Those are three sideboard slots that could be used to improve other match-ups.