Dark Depths Replaces Maze of Ith & Thespian Stage replaces so-so lands like the 2nd canopy or a cavern of souls. It's much easier to squeeze in into a non splash straight up GW list. Yes if you see a Karakas on the opposing end of the table of expecting STP, you can just stick to plan A which is to beat face. If your opponents leaves knight on the table, that usually means they don't have Swords anyway. Jace, Liliana etc are sorcery speed and don't work very well at killing Marit Lage. Kotr can deal with Karakas really easily by fetching wasteland.
As for Loyal Retainers-Fauna Shaman, yes it's way too slow for an I win condition. I think it is powercreeped by the Dark Depths combo which requires very little slots. Loyal Retainers and Elesh Norn are very often dead draws and Fauna Shaman isn't the most robust creature. You can be tuturing a few turns to set up the combo but if Loyal Retainers gets countered, you are in trouble. Also Elesh Norn is scary only in the aggro/midrange mirror. Control can deal with Elesh Norn with Jace etc.
My meta has a lot of people playing Engineered Plagues in their sideboards. With this in mind, would it be worth running a Wilt-Leaf Liege in the board to counter it? I'm thinking, specially since liege survives Decay, bolt and punishing fire.
You could run Gaea's Anthem or Harmonic Sliver to deal with E Plague also, but WLL will be the most versatile; so yea seems legit.Originally Posted by FortyThree
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I am strongly considering playing some variant of this list at Eternal Weekend, although it may be that this deck is not actually very good and Reid Duke is just a master with anything.
Combo match up seems a little suspect with your only interaction being Teeg, 4 Green Sun's Zenith(x=2), 3 Dazes, and 4 Wastelands. And True-Name Nemesis seems a little tough to beat with your only out being Daze.
One of the notable strengths of Reid's deck is the ability to sideboard into more of a "New Horizons" style bant list. Stoneforges tend to excel in the fair matchups, and you can side out some number of them/batterskull vs combo to bring in all the countermagic/meddling mages. He did mention in the interview afterwards that he designed it pretty specifically to hose show and tell decks (I'm guessing more the sideboard than the main), with the maindeck being pretty strong in the Delver/Shardless matchups. Jace is also a notable inclusion because people have been cutting him, but this deck has great creatures to protect him. If I were to play this, I would probably put SoFaI in the main and batterskull in the side.
Reid Duke could even make Nourishing Lich look good.
His list looks overall pretty decent, though.
Tomorrow I'll be playing in a rather large legacy tournament (Not BoM). Will bring Maverick, list pretty much identical to door's.
Problem is I'm not really as prepared as I'd like to. This is the 2nd time I'm playing Maverick at a tournament, first time was a catastrophe. Then I played dark maverick, lost to Elves 2 times, High Tide and then dropped. Only thing I learned from that tournament is... elves is a terrible matchup.
Anyways. The only preperation I have done this time is reading lots here, and play against my dear friend who plays reanimater and watch random games on youtube etc. Trust me when I say this - I know better than anyone else how to play against reanimater. (at least I hope so....) I've spent probably a fine 60-70hrs against that deck.
List looks like this:
CREATURES (25)
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Phyrexian Revoker
3 Birds of Paradise
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Weathered Wayfarer
3 Mother of Runes
2 Sylvan Safekeeper
2 Gaddock Teeg
2 Stoneforge Mystic
ENCHANTMENTS (1)
1 Sylvan Library
INSTANTS (5)
1 Crop Rotation
4 Swords to Plowshares
PLANESWALKERS (1)
1 Garruk Relentless
ARTIFACTS (6)
4 Aether Vial
1 Umezawa’s Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
LANDS (22)
4 Savannah
1 Forest
1 Plains
4 Windswept Heath
1 Cavern of Souls
2 Horizon Canopy
4 Wasteland
1 Rishadan Port
1 Gaea’s Cradle
1 Karakas
1 Thespian’s Stage
1 Dark Depths
SIDEBOARD
2 Pithing Needle
1 Ethersworn Canonist
3 Oblivion Ring
1 Humility
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Mindbreak Trap
3 Surgical Extraction
2 Choke
After I saw how Reid Duke killed his Elves opponent with Humility I thought I'd try that too.
Scavening Ooze - feels like I should have this card in my deck somewhere but I don't know where.. ideas?
I cut the Scryb Ranger for a 4th thalia because playing w/o any GSZ's, ranger feels too random. And I've been impressed with Thalia.... against reanimater that is....
oh well. let's see how it goes tomorrow. Hopefully I'll be having fun no matter !
Holy shit guys, what is going on:
http://screencast.com/t/vFQirHil
Have we really reached zoo status?
If you are really worried about Elves, run:
1: Gut Shot;
2: Path to Exile;
3: Tabernacle of the Vale (good with Crop Rotation and major surprise factor); and
4: Linvala, Keeper of Silence
You could also run Cursed Totem, although that is going to shut your guys off, too.
I would run Linvala over Humility, unless you want Humility to help you in the Show and Tell match-ups.
"Never argue with a fool, people might not know the difference."
Cursed Totem prevents any mana shenanigans, Ethersworn Canonist can slow them down, Teeg prevents NO and GSZ. Neither of them can totally stop them and all die to Abrupt Decay.
I like the idea behind Humility. Linvala doesn't prevent from going grabbing a Hoof and overrunning your shit - Humility does. Plus, if you run an E-Tutor board, you can tutor for it. Being relevant vs S&T is just the icing on the cake, saving you sideboard slots for O-Ring.
The current meta is just too hostile for Maverick. I've paused playing on MODO for now because I see no point getting shat on in pretty much every round.
- Elves is horrible
- Jund is horrible
- BUG Shardless is bad
- Miracles is horrible
- fast combo on the play is horrible
Sure, a good player like Sunyveil can get good results from time to time with a bit of luck, but right now, I would rather play Death & Taxes (if I had the Ports) since it has the better tools to fight the meta.
I've seen Engineered Explosives as a SB answer to Elves as well (obviously it's better in splash versions, Punishing or Dark Mav, etc.)
Someone mentioned Holy Light as an answer to True-Name Nemesis out of Death and Taxes. Kills Hierarchs and Scryb Rangers so it might not be optimal, but it does do some work against Elves. Obviously if you are playing the black splash Zealous Persecution is pretty insane.
Lastly, Canonist does a ton of work in that matchup.
If you don't like Engineered Explosives, Wing Shards is very nice answer (work also very well vs elves). But i still prefer EE since its cheaper, but Wing Shards is 100% answer since it has storm, with proper play - you should answer all their board.
Short report (60ish players)
r1 Goblins
Game1 I got double mom, safekeeper and a thalia with jitte attacking
Game2 Lackey go. I play safekeeper and feel rather safe. He bolts it main phase, i sac my land to it he has a 2nd bolt. Attacks with lackey, gets siege commander. Next turn chieftan and I scoop. GG
Game3 We durdle a bit and I wait for him to tap his wasteland so I can activate Knight and get my dark dephts. (i have stage in play alrdy and hes not aware of the combo) Eventually he does and Marit lage kills him
r2 Belcher
Game 1 I die on turn 1
Game 2 he makes 14 Goblins turn1
r3
Stiflenaught
Game 1 He wastelands me and stifle all my Fetch lands. Eventually he plays his dreadnaught with a 4th stifle on it and I scoop
Game 2 I mull to 6 and kept 3 plows, vial and 2 lands. Think I perhaps should have mulliganed this too, but meh. Naturally I draw nothing but my 4th plow, some lands and a bird. Tried to Plow his dreadnaught but he had double FoW so I scooped. (had to use the other plows on confidants)
r4
Elves
Game 1 Turn 3 kill
Game 2 I have the perfect hand. Mom into Canonist into Teeg into SFM.
Game 3 Turn 3 kill
1-3 and I dropped. Not sure how I feel about that but I still had great fun. I felt so good and confidant after round1...
I played in a MTGO Legacy 8-man vs. Elves w/ the Vial version of the deck (Maverick's BOM list) and lost in 3. It's just a tough match-up, especially with the sideboard not tuned for it. E. Canonist definitely helps. Teeg does a good job shutting down GSZ and Natural Order, but we need a way to protect him (Mom/Safekeeper).
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Looks like Punishing Maverick get to top8 at BOM ;) gg Fabian.
Here's his list. 4c punishing maverick with dark stage combo... looks really greedy, I like it!
8. Görzgen, Fabian
Punishing Maverick
1 Bayou
1 Dark Depths
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Forest
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Plateau
1 Thespian's Stage
2 Savannah
2 Taiga
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
3 Wasteland
3 Wooded Foothills
4 Windswept Heath
1 Aven Mindcensor
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Noble Hierarch
1 Qasali Pridemage
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Mother of Runes
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
2 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Punishing Fire
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Life from the Loam
4 Green Sun's Zenith
SB: 2 Enlightened Tutor
SB: 1 Bojuka Bog
SB: 1 Engineered Plague
SB: 1 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1 Garruk Relentless
SB: 1 Harmonic Sliver
SB: 1 Mindbreak Trap
SB: 1 Oblivion Ring
SB: 1 Phyrexian Revoker
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 1 Slaughter Games
SB: 1 Stony Silence
SB: 1 Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 Tormod's Crypt
That deck is so greedy on so many levels. I guess he accepts the auto scoop to combo without thalia? No reb or thalia in the board? Otherwise, damn that list looks like a ton of fun.
I'd love to read the report. Also, Mav just t8ed scg.
The deck is greedy as hell, but he is sold on it. He played nearly the same list (different Side and no Depths) to a top8 in Strasbourg and he played Punishing Maverick to top8 GP Amsterdam as well, so i guess it's a tiny little bit playskill and experience involved. He always got me in the Maverick Mirror Games , i mean i'm no slouch with it, but he is just better xD
Not sure though if he is posting on here, i will ask him if there will be a report.
Last edited by BlackStarDeceiver; 11-04-2013 at 10:00 AM.
His deck looks sweet indeed. Seems like he lost to elves in the top 8 and I'm not suprised
I'm curious though as to why there was no Thalias in SB, or just in general more combo hate cards
I went 6-2-1 for 23rd in LA yesterday with punishing dark mav. Report to come soon!
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