Grats on the results!Originally Posted by akatsuki
So Team Curio had 6 people playing Tombstalker TA, and of the 6, Dan got 9th, I got 16th, Alix cashed, James day 2'd.
66% Day 2, 50% cashed.
Deck is stupid good.
Also, Dan losing out to Sam Black on .1% breakers was some bullshit given Dan had 0 byes and Sam had 3. Eff pros.
It sucks that Dan didn't get to Top 8 :( Would have loved seeing TA in the Top 8!
Brutal to miss but congrats on the impressive run.
I'm curious to see your list.
I played the French nemesis list with some sideboard tweaks. Started out 6-0, just crushing 2x rug, 2x uwr. I then lost to storm and esper. I was given the gift of playing an unloseable match for win and in- stasis (?). Day two I felt great and was playing well but promptly lost to storm, dnt, and elves. I then rallied to beat goblins merfolk and elves to finish 11-5. Day one all the delver. Day 2 all the tribal.
The deck felt very strong and I liked a lot what nemesis added, especially in the fair matchups. One problem I always had w stalker was vs decks that could max out and power out a lot of removal like uwr. Honestly though, I missed tombstalkers presence in the sky as that's how I lost a close g 3 to dnt when he had no lands no cards in hand, and vial on 3. The board was gummed up w nemesis vs mother and co, and he ripped some consecutive flyers. I also missed the sinkholes in the board vs esper as the Lillies pulse and tarpit just didn't seem quite able to get the job done. I was really bummed to go 0-2 vs ant considering how interactive the bug deck becomes post board. One storm player was a sourcer (w mat, didn't get his name on here) and a pleasure to play compared to the other one who was sloppy and accidentally cheated me by fetching swamp w misty.
The 16 threat configuration felt a little heavy at times as I lost every g1 to combo in the dark keeping like ponder deathrite waste fetch goyf decay nemesis type hands. 15 is maybe right. The switch to trop manabase and thoughtsieze was ok-being a 1 mana spell allows you to ponder into it more consistently and have openings like deathrite to seize delver.
I have more thoughts but just typed this on my phone so sorry for typos and incoherence.
Congrats to another fantastic Legacy GP finish. 9th is still very great, given the fact you had 0 byes.
Can you share your list with the rest of us?
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i would love to see the list too.
My list and Dan's are up now.
The TA players played 59/60 of the same MD list (I preferred Liliana, most others preferred Disfigure), and then most of the same SB.
Did you guys find running 20 lands clunky? I run 19 and sometimes i see too many
The deck is too many hungry to run fewer. I do side out 1 Bayou vs. the decks that don't have Wasteland.
Unfortunately, that is one of the benefits of having three byes at the Grand Prix. If you start with 3 byes, after round 4, your OMW% is going to start at 75% if you win and 100% if you lose. If you have to play the first three rounds, your tiebreakers are going to suffer since your opponents on average won't be doing as well. Granted, there are fifteen rounds and anything can happen with OMW% (it came down to a couple tenths of a percent), but the player with the byes has the very small edge.
It would be cool if the amount of byes could be skewed to lower the OMW% to favor those that actually won their rounds the hard way, but they would have to redo how tiebreakers are calculated and that isn't going to happen. Grand Prixs are already skewed toward pros - getting 3 byes and having to go 4-2 instead of 7-2 to make day 2 is a big deal. It's somewhat unfair, but I feel somewhat sorry for anyone who is actually trying to make a living playing Magic and I almost think they should have it.
Dan did have almost a 2% edge on Sam Black going into the last round, so he did get unlucky that more of his previous opponents didn't do as well as Sam's.
I was rooting for Dan. He reminds me of myself - a player who has a life and doesn't take the game super seriously yet is able to be competitive at Magic at the same time (although it goes without saying he is better at Magic than I am).
how do you guys beat death and taxes with BUG?
So the main deck of the DC list is the same as the Denver list with a disfigure instead of a Dismember? Crazy.
So slick. The list is good, I played it last week.
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I have the same question and on a french forum, everyone told me that D&T is a good match up with TNN... I don't understand how you can say this... This match up is really hard for TA or TA with Nemesis. I played against a friend this sunday and I won 1 game even with the SB.
If someone could help be :) I'm listening
Nope. The MU is negative pre-SB and still negative post-SB. And I am pretty sure the french forum is not telling you that the MU is good...
RIP is still very very strong against TA. I guess if you want to perform better with TA in this particular meta, you have to find beaters which dodge grave hate / or a hate vs hater. Against RIP, your best shot is, IMHO, Stifle because DRS, Tarmo, Tombstalker are nowhere to be able to dodge grave hate. Stifling the CIP trigger of RIP is not the best move but at least, you could keep a tarmo with a decent size...
I don't want to translate everything but when someone said that the sideboard is ready to face this kind of match up (Liliana of the Veil / Disfigure) and since TNN the match up is batter than before, I have some doubts.
But I like TA and I think that with GP Strasbourg / BOM Paris / GP DC, we'll probably see more D&T than before so I really would like to improve the match up :)
I'm playing in my SB against D&T
2 Disfigure
2 Golgari Charm
2 Liliana of the Veil
1 Pithing Needle
and I'm thinking that it's not enough :(
I agree, the D&T match-up is bad. In order to win, I board out all my counterspells and ponders and bring in all my removal and pray they don't have Wilt-Leaf Liege. If you can land a Plague and a Charm though, it's pretty good, as well as if they have Aether Vial and you Hymn them.
Anyways at the tournament these were my rounds:
Round 1 & 2: Byes
Round 3: ANT (2-1)
Round 4: Elves (2-1)
Round 5: UW StoneBlade (2-0)
Round 6: RUG Delver (2-0)
Round 7: ANT (2-0)
Round 8: Sneak and Show (1-2)
Round 9: RUG Delver (1-2)
Round 10: Death and Taxes (2-0)
Round 11: Maverick (2-1)
Round 12: UWR Delver (2-1)
Round 13: Manaless Dredge (2-1)
Round 14: Elves (0-2)
Round 15: Dark Bant (2-1)
Here's the list:
Mana: 20
2 Bayou
2 Misty Rainforest
3 Polluted Delta
1 Tropical Island
4 Underground Sea
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
Creatures: 14
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Tombstalker
Spells: 26
1 Disfigure
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Daze
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
1 Sylvan Library
Sideboard: 15
1 Creeping Tar Pit
2 Disfigure
3 Golgari Charm
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Krosan Grip
2 Liliana of the Veil
2 Pithing Needle
2 Spell Pierce
1 Sylvan Library
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I played 3 TNNs and Thoughtseize in the Grand Prix. I made Day 2 at 7-2 (zero byes going into it), but then my tournament derailed pretty quickly from there after a string of misfortunes. A friend of mine played essentially the same exact deck in a side event on Sunday and finished 7-1 there.
I think Dan and the Hatfields (and Bob Huang) helped prove that Tombstalker with Hymns still makes for a very competitive deck, but at the same time I wouldn't entirely discount TNN and/or Thoughtseize from being an option. They were definitely great against all my opponents that were playing Swords to Plowshares. That said, it's true that Team America does not *abuse* TNN's capabilities in the same way a deck running Stoneforge Mystic can.
I think we can wait and see where the meta heads now that every netdecker out there will likely be playing Grand Prix lists in the next few months. I think 2-3 Golgari Charm in the sideboard should be a definite inclusion.
Yeah, our thought process was that Tombstalker (we call him Wombstalker) don't care about TNN, and Golgari Charm also does double duty in killing RIP. I certainly think "Nemeseize" is viable, as proven by Pierre Sommen, but I currently prefer "Hymnstalker" due to the number of free wins you get from turn 1 DRS, turn 2 Hymn + Waste/Daze/Delver.
I really liked how tnn made the deck more resilient to gy hate, but it's much worse vs combo than stalker.
As to dnt, with tnn, the matchup felt positive. I think I won 6 straight preboard...so we didn't even test much post board. Unlike rug, we are slightly more resilient to their land destruction plan, Thalia never felt like a big issue and I mostly left her in play. Between thoughtsieze and abrupt decay, their equipment plan is invalid. The biggest issue is their flyers. Force their t1 plays if possible and then later force their swords. I found scenarios where you can decay an early vial and attack their mana profitable as their 1 for 1 guys just don't matchup in size to goyf and co. A turn 1 delver or t2 nemesis w any other interaction is very hard for them to beat. They can win race scenarios vs many unfair things, but not without equipment.
Yay, congrats on your results, I'm glad to see the deck performing well!So Team Curio had 6 people playing Tombstalker TA, and of the 6, Dan got 9th, I got 16th, Alix cashed, James day 2'd.
66% Day 2, 50% cashed.
Deck is stupid good.
Also, Dan losing out to Sam Black on .1% breakers was some bullshit given Dan had 0 byes and Sam had 3. Eff pros.
I'm curious about the Stifles in your list, how where they and in which Matchups did you bring them in?
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