[Primer] Elves!

[Lemnear]

Dropped line as well^^

[Dice_Box]

That pic... Why do people not just drop in here and ask those questions...

[MD.Ghost]

Great article Julian! I printed out 22 Pages at my office, to get something like a "newspaper" for my lunch break at the local backery. I really like it - and it was only "part one"

[Myelectronicdays]

Love it Julian! You have a nice passion about the deck and how it plays out, makes me excited to sleeve this bad boy up again sometime soon.

[Said-In-Contest]

Great article on SCG!!
I really enjoyed it. Looking forward to read the pt2 with the BOM report!
Today i faced the Nemesis Bant during an online test.
Since I was expecting Meddling Mage post board I sided in 3 decay, and additional NO (i have progenitus in the MD) and 2 Pithing Needles.
So:

+3 Abrupt Decay
+1 Natural Order
+2 Pithing Needle

-2 Glimpse of Nature
-2 Nettle Sentinel
-1 Heritage Druid
-1 Craterhoof Behemoth

# Abrupt Decay: vs their equipments and Meddling Mage.
# Natural Order: as you said lots of times, against midrange decks NO for Progenitus is something they hardly be able to handle, so easy side in.
# Pithing Needle: for Jitte, Stoneforge, Knight of the reliquary, wasteland, batterskull....yeah it has some targets XD

-2 Glimpse: i think they will focus on some kind of hate that won't let us "storm" and also I'd like to be more "NO oriented".
-2 Nettle Sentinel: siding out the glimpse they lose a bit of utility IMHO, also they will never deal a damage through the great wall of beasts they have XD
-1 Heritage Druid: this is the side out that upsets me most...I don't think we want to lose the mini-combo "wirewood + visionary" also been a great combat fog generator...but also, having one less of these heritage will slow us down a bit for the NO plan...we can afford it right?
-1 Craterhoof Behemoth: well, 2 combo beasts are enough post board I think...and I don't want any brick, but just useful cards XD

What do you think about this sideboarding plan?
Do you agree? Or is this a total crap? XD

[Lemnear]

@Julian

Was about time I found you on FB, geez! XD

[Berger]

@Julian - v.nice article especially with SB :)

But ill still keep my option that Mindbreak trap when u r on draw is quite good, cuz it can stop glimpse/Virewood+Visionary combo :P

Maybe it will change some day ;)

[Lord_of_Rivendell]

Excellent article Julian. I loved it. So much passion and great play advice. It really is a gift you've given we pointy-eared players. We are much obliged.

[BJeagle]

I wrote this on julians SCG article, and now i think that perhaps was the wrong place for my question?

here is a copy.

"I realise that the best elvedeck is green with a splash of black, discard and so on.
But I’m trying to make it monogren. Don’t ask why but that’s my plan.

Can you and the other elflovers help me with that? Here my deck…

12 Forest
4 Gaea’s Cradle

2 Dryad Arbor
2 Birchlore Rangers
3 Llanowar Elves
3 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Quirion Ranger
4 Heritage Druid
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Wirewood Symbiote
4 Elvish Visionary
1 Viridian Shaman
2 Craterhoof Behemoth

3 Natural Order
4 Green Sun’s Zenith
4 Glimpse of Nature

1 Priest of Titania
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Worldspine Wurm
1 Natural Order
3 Krosan Grip
2 Pithing Needle
2 Meekstone
4 Thorn of Amethyst

[r3dd09]

Been play testing Elves *not because of Julian, surprise, I know ;)* and probably will be my side pet deck besides my storm decks. Having beta duals for the deck makes it even better... now time to get some German foils.

[Lemnear]

I wrote this on julians SCG article, and now i think that perhaps was the wrong place for my question?

here is a copy.

"I realise that the best elvedeck is green with a splash of black, discard and so on.
But I’m trying to make it monogren. Don’t ask why but that’s my plan.

Can you and the other elflovers help me with that? Here my deck…

12 Forest
4 Gaea’s Cradle

2 Dryad Arbor
2 Birchlore Rangers
3 Llanowar Elves
3 Fyndhorn Elves
4 Quirion Ranger
4 Heritage Druid
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Wirewood Symbiote
4 Elvish Visionary
1 Viridian Shaman
2 Craterhoof Behemoth

3 Natural Order
4 Green Sun’s Zenith
4 Glimpse of Nature

1 Priest of Titania
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Worldspine Wurm
1 Natural Order
3 Krosan Grip
2 Pithing Needle
2 Meekstone
4 Thorn of Amethyst

This is not the budget- or fun-forum to discuss builds without fetches or duals because of budget limitations or just because you are in the mood to run something funky. This thread's goal is to tune the deck.

You are missing why this deck is a DtB: It's because of the black-splash. It allows you to run discard to fight control and other (faster) combo decks, gaining access to Decay to have undenyable answers to annoying permaments like counterbalance or Chalice and making this the best Deathrite Shaman Deck in the format with all the untap-effects available, which I heared is a good card ;)



Edit: you may should take a look into Julian's article again in terms of initial mana sources

[Kayradis]

Last night, I shelved elves in their dedicated green leather deck box.
As sad as it sound, I need to play something else for a couple months to get myself out of the habits.

Probably gonna play U/w or U/r Delver decks.
I miss tempo/control

[danyul]

Lately I have been catching myself playing on autopilot and making very simple mistakes. So I understand where you're coming from. It makes sense to step away from a deck for awhile to get a different perspective and keep things fresh for when you go back, whenever that is.

Go forth and explore the other vast realms of the multiverse! But do not forget the benevolent shade of Gaea and your Elder Tree!

[LeoCop 90]

"I realise that the best elvedeck is green with a splash of black, discard and so on.
But I’m trying to make it monogren. Don’t ask why but that’s my plan.

Just to immediately end this discussion : it is not difficult to turn the deck into mono-green. Just play more llanowar elves in place of deathrite shaman, don't play fetchlands, and substitute off-color sideboard cards with green/artifact options.

Abrupt Decay --> Krosan Grip (or,if you want to kill creatures,mortarpod,dismember)
Discard spells --> Thorn of Amethyst, Mindbreak Trap, basically any card that annoys combo decks,since the primary reason of discard in sideboard is to fight combo.
Qasali pridemage --> Viridian Zealot

The rest of the list is the same, and i'm sure it can be competitive in local scenes. Not expect to win with it at big events anyway.

EDIT: also, if you read the fantastic opening post by danyul, he was so kind to include answers to commonly asked questions regarding budget lists that frequently occurred in the previous elves thread.

[Phelix]

http://mtgpulse.com/event/14942#212297

WORLDSPINEWURM.

I mean... uhm. its the same size as emrakul, and semi-survives sweepers, but reeely? when is it the best option?

[MD.Ghost]

http://mtgpulse.com/event/14942#212297

WORLDSPINEWURM.

I mean... uhm. its the same size as emrakul, and semi-survives sweepers, but reeely? when is it the best option?

If your opponent has no white exile removal. Wurm kills faster than Progenitus, you can cast it from your hand and it survives sweeper or non-white removal and sac. effects.

But Death & Taxes is a common deck to beat (don´t worry about this matchup, but progenitus is still a much better creature g2/3), UWR Delver rises more and more and Esper/Deathblade also profits from the TNN print. So Progenitus is still the "safer" way for a sideboard monster if you must fight to more removal game 2 and 3.

[LeoCop 90]

Honestly, when i first saw worldspine wurm in return to ravnica spoilers, i thought it could be played in this deck..... but then I just sleeved progenitus because everyone was doing so.
In the end the difference is not big, but worldspine is probably better against non-white decks.

[Phelix]

its better against perish, but isnt that about it?

[Quasim0ff]

It's for SnT. :)

[Megadeus]

They show, you battle for 15. They battle for 15, you sacrifice and make more wurms. Battle for 15. Wurm seems good