Would you like to see True-Name Nemesis gone?

[Erdvermampfa]

True-Name Nemesis

Since we probably have been able to get an opinion on this controversial card by now, I would like to survey peoples' sentiments whether it should be banned or not from legacy. I think a survey is legitimate because there have been a lot of demands for a ban while others have downright contrary views. I'm aware that those subjects are usually discussed in the B&R thread but it's only possible to quantify the sentiments of the players by creating a single thread with a poll for this specific matter so I hope the mods don't mind.

[Grand Superior]

It falls under my category of "it isn't oppressive enough to be banned, but I'd be okay with it not being in the format" together with Delver of Secrets and Show and Tell.

It's a relatively reasonable card but I think the biggest hit against it is that it is blue. Like Snapcaster Mage and Delver of Secrets, it would have been a positive card if it was non-blue. True-Name Nemesis would've been a fine white card and the 1WW cost would have created interesting deckbuilding choices (thought it may boost Death and Taxes too much). As a blue card, it just gives blue decks yet another tool that they really didn't need.

[ESG]

I would give up a stack of dual lands to see this card gone.

[nedleeds]

Unban black vise, sotf, earthcraft, mind twist. Thx.

[warai]

I think we should give 2 months or so for the meta to adapt and then formulate opinions. Now is way too soon ;)

True-Name Nemesis

Since we probably have been able to get an opinion on this controversial card by now, I would like to survey peoples' sentiments whether it should be banned or not from legacy. I think a survey is legitimate because there have been a lot of demands for a ban while others have downright contrary views. I'm aware that those subjects are usually discussed in the B&R thread but it's only possible to quantify the sentiments of the players by creating a single thread with a poll for this specific matter so I hope the mods don't mind.

[bjholmes3]

In a meta where Emrakul can hit the field with haste on turn 2 consistently, we're worried about a pseudo-invincible 3 drop? Nah. We just need to get used to the fact that a good new card still actually gets printed every 6 months or so nowadays, lol.

[apple713]

Its not banworthy but its poor design. It improved midranged decks which didnt really need help

[Lord Seth]

In a meta where Emrakul can hit the field with haste on turn 2 consistently, we're worried about a pseudo-invincible 3 drop? Nah. We just need to get used to the fact that a good new card still actually gets printed every 6 months or so nowadays, lol.

"Consistently"? Things have to line up very, very well to be able to get a hasted Emrakul on turn 2.

As for the question, I need clarification. Is it asking if I want it removed via a banning, or is it a more hypothetical "do you wish it hadn't been printed in the first place?" question. Because those are two very different questions.

[Fatal]

Reasons for banning:
- Worst design card ever seen - really in more then 20 years this card is probably the worst ever - shame you R&D team(exclude early ante cards and some chaos warp/falling star).
- probably the most un-interactive creature ever printed - Hexproof with uncounterable and regenration(aka some Troll) wasn't so un-interactive as this one.
- R&D please don't be daltonist on blue - we already have most aggresive creature in blue - delver, we don't need the most defensive creature in blue..
- destroy all midrange creature-base decks which pop and and are good add for meta - really facing any other deck then BUG/RUG/Combo is very comfortable on tournament - it's really fun !

[GoblinZ]

Its not banworthy but its poor design. It improved midranged decks which didnt really need help

Agree. Since I play combo, I donnot even know if it is broken or not, but I really really dislike it.

[chariot1995]

True-Name Nemesis

Since we probably have been able to get an opinion on this controversial card by now, I would like to survey peoples' sentiments whether it should be banned or not from legacy. I think a survey is legitimate because there have been a lot of demands for a ban while others have downright contrary views. I'm aware that those subjects are usually discussed in the B&R thread but it's only possible to quantify the sentiments of the players by creating a single thread with a poll for this specific matter so I hope the mods don't mind.

No, there are multiple answers like Veil, its beatable and changes a meta that doesn't change often, all for it

[thecrav]

I think we should give 2 months or so for the meta to adapt and then formulate opinions. Now is way too soon ;)

This 100% - I'd go so far as to say that unless WotC prints another Memory Jar or something, we should pretty much skip talking about bans for at least three months after a card becomes available, preferably more like six.

[Tormod]

I'd be fine if they never printed True-Name Nemesis.
Protection from player is a little "unintuitive"

No, I don't think it should be banned. This is Legacy, not Modern.

The only acceptable justification in banning True-Name Nemesis is if tournament attendance is significantly declines.

[Esper3k]

- probably the most un-interactive creature ever printed - Hexproof with uncounterable and regenration(aka some Troll) wasn't so un-interactive as this one.

Progenitus would like to have a word with you...

Norin the Wary is pretty difficult to interact with as well.

[warfordium]

just give us mystical tutor back. :trollface:

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Reasons for banning:
- Worst design card ever seen - really in more then 20 years this card is probably the worst ever - shame you R&D team(exclude early ante cards and some chaos warp/falling star).
- probably the most un-interactive creature ever printed - Hexproof with uncounterable and regenration(aka some Troll) wasn't so un-interactive as this one.
- R&D please don't be daltonist on blue - we already have most aggresive creature in blue - delver, we don't need the most defensive creature in blue..
- destroy all midrange creature-base decks which pop and and are good add for meta - really facing any other deck then BUG/RUG/Combo is very comfortable on tournament - it's really fun !

Worst design ever? Find the thread dedicated to Great Wall, then.
Btw, I'd really love to see a bit more Chaos Warp-like and Falling Star-like cards. You know, kind of a cards that are funny or interesting. I know that a bulk of red part of pie must be " Deal 2 dmg" and "destroy target target" and "when ~ etb, deal some dmg", etc. There are 3828 red cards that our lgs sells and out of them I count some ten cards interesting and different enough that one may send them as an SSS gift.
So we're discussing banning of Troll Ascetic? Fine. Sadly I can't comment on TNN as I never met one IRL. It is legal for... three weeks? And people already want it to be banned? Strange.
Not that the design isn't idiotic (similarly to that of Griselbrand and emrakul, when speaking of creatures, and of course Delver plus Goyf), but is it really necessary to ban it?
As Esper3k wrote: Norin the Wary is pretty difficult to interact with as well.

[Illusions]

Fun is far too subjective for it to be a valid reason for banning a card; in my opinion, cards should only ever be banned if they are having a detrimental effect on the balance of the game. TNN is a stupid card, but answers exist. I don't see how it's any more or less ridiculous than being wasteland locked, unable to cast your cards due to chalice or blood moon, or being grinded out by punishing fire or jitte. It exists, and we all need to play around it for the time being. If it's a problem, it'll get banned, but it should be given the chance to prove itself problematic first. This isn't modern, and cards in legacy should only ever be banned based on good reason.

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[Goaswerfraiejen]

I voted yes. Not because I think it's warping or incredibly broken, but because it's just awful to sit across from it. Emrakul too, FWIW.



Also, I loathe the thought of having to abandon NOPro and run it instead. Shudder.

[Squirrel]

True Name Nemesis is one of those cards people will cry for a ban.. like Show and Tell/whatever you lost to at your last tournament. It is a good card, and sometimes good cards win the game alone.

It comes down to the one thing nobody wants to hear: IF you have a bad matchup against Bant/Esper/decks with Nemesis (they're not nemesis.dec), consider switching:
- cards in your maindeck (Death& Taxes: i switched Sword of fire and ice in for sword of light and shadow and added back some flyers)
- cards in your sideboard( Esperblade: i now play Zealous Persecution)
- decks ( Im already playing storm)

I don't like the card, but i like Mystical Tutor and Survival. Liking a card is not the Reason to ban it (except Modern with Seething Song, it seems).

So, it should stay, but a more flexible card would`ve been better.

About the Hasty Emrakul thing on Turn 2, With Sneak Attack you have to get quite lucky, and with Tinfins Emrakul seems like a bad choice unless he is holding hands with a lifelink demon while attacking.

[phonics]

True Name Nemesis is one of those cards people will cry for a ban.. like Show and Tell/whatever you lost to at your last tournament. It is a good card, and sometimes good cards win the game alone.

It comes down to the one thing nobody wants to hear: IF you have a bad matchup against Bant/Esper/decks with Nemesis (they're not nemesis.dec), consider switching:
- cards in your maindeck (Death& Taxes: i switched Sword of fire and ice in for sword of light and shadow and added back some flyers)
- cards in your sideboard( Esperblade: i now play Zealous Persecution)
- decks ( Im already playing storm)

I don't like the card, but i like Mystical Tutor and Survival. Liking a card is not the Reason to ban it (except Modern with Seething Song, it seems).

So, it should stay, but a more flexible card would`ve been better.

About the Hasty Emrakul thing on Turn 2, With Sneak Attack you have to get quite lucky, and with Tinfins Emrakul seems like a bad choice unless he is holding hands with a lifelink demon while attacking.

I get the sense that most people just think that it shouldn't exist because of its terrible design, not how good it is.