her loyalty dont matter if she wrks then she wrksOriginally Posted by megadeus
Unfortunately it does matter... For example, Nissa Revane has an actually solid +1 ability to "create" a 2/3. Unfortunately during that time in standard Lightning Bolt was a very highly played card and she was completely unplayable. Between Bolts and TNN, I'm just not sure if Kiora is worth it. Please. Prove me wrong. I would love to play her knowing she is good. I just don't think that she is any good
Does anyone play with Oracle of Mul Daya? That's the best comparison I can think of, and short of some Turbo Eldrazi lists, no one runs it
Her biggest problem is of course that unlike Jace her carddraw is worse AND that she can't draw a card every turn and that is why Jace will still be the best PW for BUG but she has a couple of things going for her that make me want to play her, too, maybe in a 3/2, 4/1 or 4/2 split with Jace.
- For the comparison with Oracle of Mul Daya: Oracle only has one of the abilities of Kiora, the Draw/Explore part. But it can neither deal with a Batterskull/Delver/Goyf nor can it pump out 9/9 tokens.
- For the vulnerability to Lightning Bolt: it can be a bit annoying but I honestly don't think it is a big deal. Usually I just Brainstorm with Jace against Bolt decks anyway because I am far more worried about losing it to Bolt + surprise damage (Clique/Snapcaster) without getting any value. If I get a Brainstorm and a card from my opponent's hand that is usually all I ask for in this type of matchup. I would imagine Kiora is the same, I will just -1 her against Bolt decks.
- Tamiyo is similar to Kiora but one Mana is a huge difference.
- Kiora gives good protection while +1ing into a very relevant and fast ultimate which seems like a very nice combination.
- Kiora's +1 is also nice with Deed because it might force the opponent to play another threat into Deed.
praise the lord some one see what i am seeing lol
see my argument sux cuz my typing ability sux lol but thats how i feel about exactly. Lol thank you t for putting way more elegantly then i can.
She also has the ability to shut down valacut in the scape vs bug list see we hqve the ability to stop the scape she cqn have the bility to make the grind fest of them have the valacut out and slow burning u to death wich is very frequent
My biggest concern isn't whether she's good or not, but rather the slots she's trying to compete for. Outside of BUG Walker Fit, I have no reason to run her at all over Jace 2.0, let alone something like one of the Garruks or Liliana 2.0.
If she can make the cut, then yes: she has a ton of potential.
i am runnign in the nic fit list as a 1 or 2 of
to suport my jaces
i am trying a pw list i would be lookin at 3 jace 2 koria 1 liliana vess 1 garruk primal hunter and 1 karn
Why not just play 3 Jace, 3 Liliana Of The Veil?
Seriously, aside from wanting to play pet planeswalkers, why are any of those choices better than Liliana?
BUG Walker lists need something besides Lili and Jace, because you need to continually apply pressure and mess with your opponent while building to ultimate, and usually that means a 3rd walker, since Deed becomes bad and you're creature-light. I still think that Vraska and Ashiok are the best options, along with Karn.
ToF - as soon as you mentioned Liliana Vess, you basically confirmed to everyone that you're just looking for more pet walkers. Please explain how a singleton Liliana Vess is better than the firmly established superior options of Jace and Liliana of the Veil?
first lili 1.0 allows tutors with jace its not a pet thing cuz if i was gonna do pet walkers i would do some other ones veil is ok but lili is one sided discard and the fact she can tutor shit to the top or ur deck and draw off jace or top is good
garruk prodives crreatures lili provides one sided discard and tutors and koria provides creature control and land drops
I know what the planeswalkers do. I just don't understand why you are running 1-ofs. If you have 2 powerful planeswalkers out at the same time and you don't win, you've done something wrong. So why not run 3, 3, 1 (garruk, maybe, as he's a house if you can get him to stick for 2 turns) I guess what I'm asking is why you need ALL the planeswalkers?
cuz i have runn super friend in legacy for years and done well with at wut won me alot of the game is havin a daveristy of planewalkers that have a range of abiloityies that put the game in your favor
Uh, nevermind. I withdraw all my objections. You're obviously smarter than I am.
smarter no but just very different play style
To whoever asked about my junk list here it is.
Maindeck: 61 cards
4x Veteran Explorer
4x Cabal Therapy
4x Green Sun's Zenith
3x Academy Rector
3x Pernicious Deed
3x Sensei's Divining Top
3x Verdant Catacombs
3x Marsh Flats
3x Forest
2x Baneslayer Angel
2x Thoughtseize
2x Windswept Heath
2x Plains
2x Swamp
2x Phyrexian Tower
1x Recurring Nightmare
1x Moat
1x Recycle
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Kukusho, The Evening Star
1x Sun Titan
1x Eternal Witness
1x Fierce Empath
1x Sigarda, Host of Herons
1x Varolz, The Scar-Striped
1x Thragtusk
1x Vindicate
1x Maelstrom Pulse
1x Garruk Relentless
1x Volrath's Stronghold
1x Bayou
1x Savannah
1x Scrubland
1x Dryad Arbor
Sideboard: 15
3x Carpet of Flowers
2x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2x Golgari Charm
1x Rest in Peace
1x Exclusion Ritual
1x Nether Void
1x Humility
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Ashen Rider
1x Cranial Extraction
1x Memoricide
And yes, deck registration completely sucks with this list with 19 singletons main. If anyone wants to pick my brain feel free. And if anyone has a suggestion as to what to cut in the main deck for a 23rd land I would appreciate the help!
Dryad Arbor could be cut for a better land.
Dryad arbor is actually quite useful as a backup ramp source and to flashback therapy. If it dies to deed, it did its job.
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