[Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

[HerrGevatter]

Anyone else playing in the SCG Open in Baltimore this Sunday? I want to play TES but am worried there'll be too many Zealous Persecutions and Golgari Charms running after True Names for the Goblin plan to be effective.

[paeng4983]

Anyone else playing in the SCG Open in Baltimore this Sunday? I want to play TES but am worried there'll be too many Zealous Persecutions and Golgari Charms running after True Names for the Goblin plan to be effective.

Don't worry about those. You still have TOA and grapeshot for the win.
^_^
Good luck TES players!
^_^

[sawatarix]

Against Lands i would recommend to not(!) use TP in game 2 (there won't be a game 3 against lands)
I saw guys playing hatebears postboard such as gaddock teeg or canonist and i'm pretty sure you don't really want to have one of them in play under your control .




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[Final Fortune]

Against Lands i would recommend to not(!) use TP in game 2 (there won't be a game 3 against lands)
I saw guys playing hatebears postboard such as gaddock teeg or canonist and i'm pretty sure you don't really want to have one of them in play under your control .




- Team RUG-STAR Berlin -

I just think Bribery is more consistent than Telemin's Performance overall because you're guaranteed to always hit Griselbrand and a lot of the combo decks that Telemin's Performance is suppose to auto-win against can show up with unexpected surprises like Xantid Swarm, Dark Confident, Cloud of Faeries etc. post-board. It's a hell of a gamble to Telemin's Performance vs ANT instead of Diminishing Returns with a mana floating when all they have to do is SB in 1 Dark Confident to fuck you completely for your "nice win condition, bro."

[Sockosensei]

Looking for suggestions on playing and sideboarding vs Monoblack Pox.

The build in question runs in the main 2x Tabernacle, Crucible-Wastelock, Dark Ritual+Nether Void (2 main, I believe, 1 more in the SB), and of course the usual discard, Lilianas, Sinkhole, and Smallpox. Very very slow clock.
Board includes Engineered Plague, Ratchet Bomb, and Chains of Meph.

[Lemnear]

Looking for suggestions on playing and sideboarding vs Monoblack Pox.

The build in question runs in the main 2x Tabernacle, Crucible-Wastelock, Dark Ritual+Nether Void (2 main, I believe, 1 more in the SB), and of course the usual discard, Lilianas, Sinkhole, and Smallpox. Very very slow clock.
Board includes Engineered Plague, Ratchet Bomb, and Chains of Meph.

-1 Ponder, +1 Tropical Island -> Belcher Mode. Don't be too afraid of (topdecked) sweepers.

[sa3xxx]

-1 Ponder, +1 Tropical Island -> Belcher Mode. Don't be too afraid of (topdecked) sweepers.

Same discussion as before : is silencewalking better than playing decays? vs Jund I believe so (since their hate is mainly discard), vs Mono black i'm not so sure, especially if you are on draw, since he can play turn 1 discard+chalice, or turn 1 trinisphere or whatever.


about Telemin Performance : is it that great, if you consider, that after SB SnT/omni will probably side in Leylines? I like the card and haven't tried it so far, but I'm curious.

[Lemnear]

Same discussion as before : is silencewalking better than playing decays? vs Jund I believe so (since their hate is mainly discard), vs Mono black i'm not so sure, especially if you are on draw, since he can play turn 1 discard+chalice, or turn 1 trinisphere or whatever.


about Telemin Performance : is it that great, if you consider, that after SB SnT/omni will probably side in Leylines? I like the card and haven't tried it so far, but I'm curious.

Decay is pointless if he Thoughtseize/Hymn/Liliana/Smallpox you into oblivion. Sure he can drop Chalice, Thorn, Trinisphere on the play, but it's not that you can ever really recover from a T1 3Sphere anyways.

The days of Leyline are counted. I haven't seen Leyline since I raised the topic of all-discard in this thread for the first time. Even if your opponent mulligans into a Leyline, you have only wasted 1 SB slot. The main job of TP is catching opponents in surprise as rarely anyone expects that card. It's still totally nuts to steal a game 1 from another combo deck. You'll never ever win 2 games in a match with TP anyways as your opponent will board at least one creature once they saw TP in game 1 or 2

[sa3xxx]

Decay is pointless if he Thoughtseize/Hymn/Liliana/Smallpox you into oblivion. Sure he can drop Chalice, Thorn, Trinisphere on the play, but it's not that you can ever really recover from a T1 3Sphere anyways.

The days of Leyline are counted. I haven't seen Leyline since I raised the topic of all-discard in this thread for the first time. Even if your opponent mulligans into a Leyline, you have only wasted 1 SB slot. The main job of TP is catching opponents in surprise as rarely anyone expects that card. It's still totally nuts to steal a game 1 from another combo deck. You'll never ever win 2 games in a match with TP anyways as your opponent will board at least one creature once they saw TP in game 1 or 2

I he playes trinisphere turn 1 it means, that he is not playing anything for a while as well, so getting 3 lands in play isn't really unimaginable.

If he TS+hymn turn 1 it really doesn't matter if you have silence or decay in hand, does it?

If you are on draw I think decays are equal or better then silences.

On play, silences might be better.


Agree with the part about TP (too bad some combodecks play small creatures, like belcher/oops all spells. However, resolving wish with 5 manas floating angainst them should be enough for a kill anyway)

[Lemnear]

I he playes trinisphere turn 1 it means, that he is not playing anything for a while as well, so getting 3 lands in play isn't really unimaginable.

If he TS+hymn turn 1 it really doesn't matter if you have silence or decay in hand, does it?

If you are on draw I think decays are equal or better then silences.

On play, silences might be better.


Agree with the part about TP (too bad some combodecks play small creatures, like belcher/oops all spells. However, resolving wish with 5 manas floating angainst them should be enough for a kill anyway)

I've turn 2/3 killed people after they thoughtseized me on the play and keep doing so. If they don't start with a hilarious 3-for-3 trade with Ritual + Seize + Hymn or 3sphere you are still in a pretty good shape. I doubt you can dig you out of a Sphere or Void of your opponent has at least 50% more lands in his deck than you plus Wastelands. It's not that you can seriously rely on dropping fetches and wait for more to eot fetch for lands and Decay.

The only realistic target for Decay is Chalice and even then you will face Wastelands and Discard. I rather try delaying Hymn/Chalice@1/shit with Silence if there is the chance.

[Sockosensei]

-1 Ponder, +1 Tropical Island -> Belcher Mode. Don't be too afraid of (topdecked) sweepers.

I appreciate the speedy response, Lemnear. In fact, I put it to immediate use when I faced that exact deck in round 3 tonight.
Lost game one to turn 1 Swamp, Ritual, Ritual, Nether Void, when I had a turn two hand.
Then won both games post-board via Belcher Mode.

[Lemnear]

I appreciate the speedy response, Lemnear. In fact, I put it to immediate use when I faced that exact deck in round 3 tonight.
Lost game one to turn 1 Swamp, Ritual, Ritual, Nether Void, when I had a turn two hand.
Then won both games post-board via Belcher Mode.

Ya owe me an Beppu-Onsen trip ;)

[Sockosensei]

Ya owe me an Beppu-Onsen trip ;)

Make it Koya-san and you've got it

Actually, we've got local players picking up Elves who could use your expertise.

Very much looking forward to the next installment of Heart of the Storm, with the updated deck list.

[Lemnear]

Make it Koya-san and you've got it

Actually, we've got local players picking up Elves who could use your expertise.

Very much looking forward to the next installment of Heart of the Storm, with the updated deck list.

They are welcome to PM me, write a mail, twitter, etc. or you send them over to the Elves thread here on TheSource, right into Julian's ... erm ... Gaea's Cradle ;D

[gibbousm]

As someone who has just begun to build TES, what pieces would you recommend acquiring first?
I have a monthly budget of about $45-60 to build the list and its going to take me a while to complete as I'm starting out with very few of the cards for it. Right now I only have a few of the cantrips and rituals (no full sets), an Empty, and the City of Brasses. I've been working on getting trades, but the quality of my binder is relatively low as I lack many staples because I am primarily a casual player. I'm hoping to pick up some pieces at GP Richmond if I manage to make it there.

[Lemnear]

As someone who has just begun to build TES, what pieces would you recommend acquiring first?
I have a monthly budget of about $45-60 to build the list and its going to take me a while to complete as I'm starting out with very few of the cards for it. Right now I only have a few of the cantrips and rituals (no full sets), an Empty, and the City of Brasses. I've been working on getting trades, but the quality of my binder is relatively low as I lack many staples because I am primarily a casual player. I'm hoping to pick up some pieces at GP Richmond if I manage to make it there.

As usual I advice getting the Duals, Fetches and Diamonds asap. Everything after those few cards is cheap, easy and fast to aquire. You can use 3 Bloodstained Mire as cheaper solutions to the blue ones.

Duals and Diamonds are a bitter pill to swallow but those can't be substituted.

[Jay_Gatz]

You can use 3 Bloodstained Mire as cheaper solutions to the blue ones.

Unless you play the trop out of the board

[Lemnear]

Unless you play the trop out of the board

Touché. However, for someone with a limited budget, I possibly would pass on that SB land for the moment.:/

[NoizeMe]

He could still play a Bayou instead of a Trop ;).


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[Lemnear]

He could still play a Bayou instead of a Trop ;).


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My topic was preventing him from investing in a damn expensive SB card that might become obsolete again at some point in the future.