KMC Hyper mats suck

[Wilkin]

So i tried out a bunch of KMC hyper mat sleeves. I like the fact it shuffles well and it's textured on the back so marks are less noticable..... However, the bottoms split easily. Like, super easily. I've only had the hyper mats for a month or so and have split 20 of them, all at the bottom.

Never had this problem with a sleeve before. Not dragon shield, KMC regular mat (yet, haven't tried out for too long) or even the cheap ultra pros.

[Arsenal]

So i tried out a bunch of KMC hyper mat sleeves. I like the fact it shuffles well and it's textured on the back so marks are less noticable..... However, the bottoms split easily. Like, super easily. I've only had the hyper mats for a month or so and have split 20 of them, all at the bottom.

Never had this problem with a sleeve before. Not dragon shield, KMC regular mat (yet, haven't tried out for too long) or even the cheap ultra pros.

This is not what I've heard from others. Perhaps you had a bad batch? All of my buddies have been using them regularly and they haven't reported higher-than-average split sleeves.

[Undomian]

I've been using these for a few months now and haven't had a single one split. Sounds like you just got a bad batch.

[danyul]

You might also be shuffling with all the finesse of a caveman.

Hyper Mats 4 Lyf.

[metelhead]

the biggest issue I have with Hyper's is not be able to find enough of them....I have about 10 decks sleeved up with these and love them...not one split.....

[BeardTron]

I've been using these exclusively for a couple months now (have 3 different decks sleeved w/ them) and have had 2 sleeves split (on the top) on me. Love em, and have no problem w/ the occasional split. Sometimes I am a little careless when I shuffle so it's on me really.

Sounds like you got a rare, bad batch.

[copywriter]

I've read some review saying that they are 1mm shorter than the normal KMC sleeves. True?
The "problem" the review mentioned was that if you use them for double sleeving, the top part of the inner sleeve will stick out on top. True?


Thanks.

[Richard Cheese]

Are the hyper mat clears actually clear? Someone said they were actually white.

[danyul]

Are the hyper mat clears actually clear? Someone said they were actually white.

They sell them in Black and Clear. Nobody buys the Clear ones.

And the Clear is more like a slightly see-through off-white kinda thing.

[akuma1623]

Hyper mats are amazing. They are the best sleeve I have ever used. I have slowly been getting our players to switch over to them. The only problem is they are short supply. We are waiting on distributors to get them back in.

I use Black for all my older format decks and I use the clear for my standard decks. Since all the standard cards are mint it is not an issue. Also yes they are clear and not white

[Wilkin]

I've read some review saying that they are 1mm shorter than the normal KMC sleeves. True?
The "problem" the review mentioned was that if you use them for double sleeving, the top part of the inner sleeve will stick out on top. True?


Thanks.

They are a bit shorter than regular kmc. Haven't had an issue with the card popping out of the sleeve.

Bad batch? Maybe. I shuffle exactly the same with every other make of sleeve, no issues with any other brand.

[danyul]

They are a bit shorter than regular kmc. Haven't had an issue with the card popping out of the sleeve.

Bad batch? Maybe. I shuffle exactly the same with every other make of sleeve, no issues with any other brand.

They do pop out a little bit through regular use or if you are not super-pro at double sleeving and pushing the card as far down as you can. But if you just take the deck, stand it upright, and tap it on the table a few times, they all jump back into place.

It is slightly annoying sometimes, but isn't annoying enough to cancel out all the other awesome qualities of Hyper Mats.

I have had a couple of the bust on me, but that's why you get 5 extra. And it doesn't happen often enough for me to hold it against the brand. I do feel that Dragon Shields are stronger, but they don't offer the same hand/shuffle feel as Hyper Mats.

[Koby]

ITT:

"You got defunct product"
"You're a caveman"

[Tormod]

I've been very unlucky with KMC products, lots of splitting issues. I keep reading praises about KMC products, but I just haven't had the same experience. Maybe Canada gets all the defective KMC products.

[danyul]

I mention the caveman thing because I've heard plenty of people complaining about sleeves no matter which ones they buy. Then I watch them play and they bash their cards with such vitriol that of course they are gonna bust a sleeve eventually. I think the KMC Mattes are actually sturdier than the Hyper Mats. The Hypers aren't super strong, but if you shuffle without hate in your heart they should be just fine for tournament play.

Also, regardless of the types of sleeves the OP is using, he could still be a caveman. You are actually all strangers.

The burden of proof of your noncaveman status is really on you, not me. (jk)

[Tormod]

I mention the caveman thing because I've heard plenty of people complaining about sleeves no matter which ones they buy. Then I watch them play and they bash their cards with such vitriol that of course they are gonna bust a sleeve eventually. I think the KMC Mattes are actually sturdier than the Hyper Mats. The Hypers aren't super strong, but if you shuffle without hate in your heart they should be just fine for tournament play.

Also, regardless of the types of sleeves the OP is using, he could still be a caveman. You are actually all strangers.

The burden of proof of your noncaveman status is really on you, not me.

I know Wilkin personally, he might be a caveman when I'm not around, but from my experience I haven't seen him do much knuckle dragging.

[socialite]

I'm a longtime fan and avid supporter of KMC sleeves. Double sleeved my entire collection in Perfect Fits/KMC Hyper Matt Blacks.

A few weeks ago I went back to the KMC Matt Browns as the Hyper Matts feel significantly thinner and split often. They are shit.

Also anyone who talks about Dragon Sleeves, just go home.

[dreinal13]

What I love most especially about the Hyper Mattes is the fact that the corners don't bend/give out that easily. In addition, the sleeve itself feels pretty solid and secure. The only issue I really had with them is the overly opening on the top, I think that there's too much space there that you can easily make the card fall out of the sleeve when you turn it to it's head and give it some shake.

Overall, love the KMC Hyper Mattes, you probably got a bad batch as others have mentioned in the thread.

[Julian23]

KMC HYPER MATS SUCK!

Honestly, you probably don't see me these kind of statements a lot but this time I feel really cheated. Having been a big lover of the KMC Mat Blacks, I bought a pack of KMC Hyper Mats to try out for my Elves deck.

What happened? Out of 80 sleeves, FOUR of them split immediately upon inserting the card. And I'm no moron, I know how to handle sleeves and never ran into this issue while blowing through about 15 packs of KMC Black Mats over the last years. Yes, I play a lot and over the that time I maybe had alltogether 4 sleeves split.

Another issues is that the Hyper Mats are slightly shorter than the Mat Blacks, which gives less protection to the card inside and makes it stick out more easily. I hate that.

Honestly, there's no "maybe you got a bad pack" for me. If people open bad packs this often, chances are the product itself if flawed. I'm going back to Mat Blacks and will never look back.

[Pippin]

KMC HYPER MATS SUCK!

Honestly, you probably don't see me these kind of statements a lot but this time I feel really cheated. Having been a big lover of the KMC Mat Blacks, I bought a pack of KMC Hyper Mats to try out for my Elves deck.

What happened? Out of 80 sleeves, FOUR of them split immediately upon inserting the card. And I'm no moron, I know how to handle sleeves and never ran into this issue while blowing through about 15 packs of KMC Black Mats over the last years. Yes, I play a lot and over the that time I maybe had alltogether 4 sleeves split.

Another issues is that the Hyper Mats are slightly shorter than the Mat Blacks, which gives less protection to the card inside and makes it stick out more easily. I hate that.

Honestly, there's no "maybe you got a bad pack" for me. If people open bad packs this often, chances are the product itself if flawed. I'm going back to Mat Blacks and will never look back.

I'd still go with "you got bad batch" though.

I bought 1 pack of Hyper Matte and not a single one split yet even though I jammed dozens of games with them. I like that they are stable, don't "slide" when just opened and they indeed do shuffle well. However, being 1mm shorter in length is a major downside which prevents me from using them in bigger constructed tournaments since I double sleeve my cards with KMC perfect fits. You can fit perfect fit sleeve and the card in question into Hyper Matte, but during shuffling it isn't unusual that few of the perfect fit sleeves move and start to stick out - making the cards sort of marked. Can't comprehend the reason why they decided to shorten them 1 mm...

I usually use KMC Matte Black and even though they are excellent sleeves (1mm longer in length being main selling point over hyper matte) they do split from occasion to occasion. That is entirely up to the shuffling method of the player though, and since I shuffle like a caveman I usually split at least 2 sleeves during bigger tournaments. Latest example was during GP Prague where I split 2-3 KMC Matte Black during the whole 18 rounds of the event.

Side note - KMC seems to have improved their manufacturing process lately and sleeves seems more sturdier and of better quality, I used to split them quite a bit more in the past.